UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

No it isn't.
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Michael's reference to the Fatima miracles shows that even multiple people do suffer from mass misperception.

This is not i-trust-strangers-forums.com.

You're entitled to your beliefs, there in your man cave, but out here it is indefensible.

I am OK with you saying "I believe those are real, though I can't objectively support my belief."

This is a straw man. No skeptic is saying what they saw or didn't see. We simply refer to science that demonstrates incontrovertibly that people do misperceive all the time.

The onus is on you to (somehow) argue that they didn't misperceive this particular event.

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Seriously? So because of the Miracle of Fatima we can't trust multiple eyewitness accounts of ufos? How does that follow?

Well there goes science, whose scientific method relies on the assumption of accurate observation and perception.

 

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So, what will you do if the JWST finds good evidence for extraterrestrial life/civilizations?

 

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Agree

Again agree. However this skeptic is NOT asking a believer to prove (eyewitnesses) to prove a negative or a claim they didn't make

This skeptic is asking the believer to prove (eyewitnesses) a claim they did make

Noooooooo way. Backed up with co-obberating evidence

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Human perception is 100% known to not capture reality.
It helps us live, day-to-day, but is very bad in unknown circumstances. This is fact. proven over and over again.
You know this, There are several threads in this forum's history about ity.

It sure as hell does not. Quite the opposite. Science of the antidote to observation and perception.

Observation and perception led us to think the Earth is flat. It is only when we learned to not trust our lousy perceptions that we realized it is a sphere.

 

Human perception is accurate way more often than it is mistaken or we wouldn't be able to live by it day to day. It is totally reliable in telling us about what is happening in our environment.

Yes it does. If our observation was unreliable, then none of the ensuing steps of the scientific method would work. It assumes from the outset our accurate perception of an empirical reality.

 

A red herring. A statement that, while typically true, does not inform anything about unfamiliar circumstances.

You would have us believe that mermaids are real because the sailors who saw basking walrus that they had never seen them before and thought they saw naked women.

This is an opinion of yours that - for the purposes of anomalies is unsupported. It is fact that humans mistake unfamiliar things all the time.

False.
That's why science research has to be independently verifiable, expressly for the purpose of removing the inherent flaws of individuals.

 

LOL

 

LOL The undeniable fact that billions successfully rely on their perception everyday without getting hurt or dying proves that perception is reliable, notwithstanding your feigned outrage that you've somehow in the past convinced me it isn't.

 

Red herring. "Billions every day" is not the target of this topic about UFO sightings, and you know that perfectly well.

Again, your "logic" leads to mermaids and God.

MR: Do you believe in mermaids and God? No?
That's because WHEN IT SUITS YOUR BELIEFS you DONT trust the accounts of strangers.

 

Don't know of any accounts of someone physically seeing a mermaid or a God, but there are thousands of accounts of people seeing ufos. Wonder why that is..

 

Ofcourse it is. And I just proved it by citing an irrefutable fact. Get a grip James.

 

Liar..I never said perception is infallible. I said it is totally reliable because it is. Your car isn't infallible but it too is totally reliable. Your heart isn't infallible but it too is totally reliable. Learn distinctions James. It will spare you future embarrassment.

 

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You said it is "TOTALLY reliable".
That is synonymous with infallible.

Careful with words like "liar", pot.

 

No it isn't. It means can we totally rely on it. And we can, even though it isn't infallible.