UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. foghorn Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, it is a Youtube video. What about it?
     
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  3. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    The "upside down triangle" UFO is just an aircraft, with the triangle shape being camera bokeh. Any light out of focus will assume the shape of the lens aperture, usually circular-ish. Cameras with a six-panel aperture opens as a hexagon, and cheap cameras with just 3 panels open as a triangle. Hence the appearance of the light as a triangle.
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yep. Flashing Triangles have been unequivocally debunked.

    As for the "disappearing beneath the waves" video, its a ridiculous overreach. There is no indication that anything disappeared beneath the waves. Bright lights turn off all the time; UAPs havent cornered the market on that.
     
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  7. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The UAP as seen in the video is being detected via an infrared camera at night. It was not illuminated AFAIK..
     
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  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, and when bright lights turn off or turn away, they go dark in infrared.

    "submerged" is ridiculous wishful-thinking (and the antithesis of Occam's Razor).

    But no need to tell you, I'm telling everyone else.
     
  9. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The UAP is already completely dark in infrared. There's no reason to think it would turn invisible. Unless you are allowing for a superhuman capability. Otherwise, submergence is the only logical conclusion. And the Navy agrees. They conducted a search in the area for the UAP.
     
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  10. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    the Navy agrees. Do they?

    conducted a search in the area for the UAP
    Yes they did. If Navy had NOT conducted a search, first question out of the box from reporters and UFO believer's would be "Why wasn't a search carried out?"

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    Should strike that UFO believer's. I would say all posters here do believe in UFOs
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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I thought we'd all agreed the term UFO was loaded withbaggage and more trouble than necessary, and that the term UAP was more appropriate.
     
  13. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I still use UFO since it defines a flying object that defies mundane and conventional explanations. UAP otoh seems like an attempt to smear this definition out of existence. Like it isn't anything in particular and could still be anything. We have to preserve what we have learned about UFOs over the decades of their sightings. They have characteristics that distinguish them from being just a variable X. They have repeated and objective qualities that allow us to categorize them as distinct entities with typical behavior and appearance. That's what most people mean when they use the term UFO.
     
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  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Well the U remains same

    Not sure Ariel is much better than Flying since some now appear to do into the ocean
    Add / Aquatic?

    Phenomena many are shown to be mundane so being tagged Phenomenal bit of overreach

    UA / AO?

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  15. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    There is a whole range of phenomena for which concluding it is "flying" is premature, and thus prone to bias the analysis.

    The incident at Lake Cote Costa Rica recently covered is one such example. It's not a UFO. Frankly, it's not even a UAP. We do not know that it is flying - in fact, we don't even know if it is aerial.
     
  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Then we're not talking about UFOs anymore. We are talking about Identified Aerial Phenomena. Can you give some examples of these?
     
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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    No. We're talking about Unidentified Phenomena that may or may not be aerial.
    As I said, the Lake Cotes anomaly is such an example.

    It is unidentified, but it is not known if it is aerial. (It is an unusual case, since, unlike most UAPs, this one is not set against the sky.)
     
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    A bokeh? I didn't know that word. So I looked it up on the ever-reliable internet. And found this

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh

    I just learned something!

    Makes my head hurt! I'll never forgive you Sarkus!

    Owww!
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    I never learned what you concluded the Lake Cotes anomaly to be. A hole in the lens? The camera's aperture? A grain of sand on the film? You seem to have arrived at a diffuse mix of non-flying and non-aerial mundane causes. A nebulous cluster of maybe's and could be's affectively ruling out a UFO.
     
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  22. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    It's also not known if it is "flying", which rules out the UFO acronym.

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  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. See my post before the one you quoted
     

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