UFOs (UAPs): Explanations?

Discussion in 'UFOs, Ghosts and Monsters' started by Magical Realist, Oct 10, 2017.

  1. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I understand where you're coming from, James - but do you find that skeptics sometimes conflate ''improbable'' or ''most likely never to happen'' with ''extraordinary?'' In other words, everything that sounds extraordinary most likely is improbable (to a skeptic)?

    Space aliens could fit into the improbability category, but if they did exist, it'd be ''extraordinary.'' We can agree on that point. But, if say the tic tac object is that of some type of advanced military weapon or aircraft, that doesn't seem so far-fetched, yet we could consider it to be extraordinary, as well. I don't think this is a matter of semantics, rather it could explain why skeptics and UFO enthusiasts struggle to meet halfway.
     
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  3. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    I would say, What's the difference? Ordinary = probable, not ordinary = not probable.

    I'd say space aliens are highly probable. Them coming to earth is highly improbable.
     
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  5. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The news said some guy and his son caught a very rare blue lobster. An improbable one in millions event. But still quite extraordinary! We shouldn't use probabilities to predict what will happen to us. We might miss out on the extraordinary when it brushes by us.

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  7. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    How would using probabilities have prevented this fisherman from catching this crab?

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    We know the probability is low that you will win the lottery this year (you have to play of course) but someone will win this year. It's good to know just how bad your chances are, don't you think? You can still play if it has entertainment value for you (or not).

    A blue crab is unusual. A red head is less common than a brunette. A super nova is even more rare but they do happen. Aliens on Earth isn't just "rare", it hasn't happened yet.

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  8. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    How could you possibly know something like that?
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Because, until something has been confirmed, it hasn't officially happened.
     
  10. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Except maybe for the millions even trillions of events that have occurred on our planet over the ages without being confirmed by anyone.
     
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  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Then without being confirmed they (whatever events they might have been) never happened

    No evidence, didn't happen

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  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Wrong. Absence of evidence does not mean evidence of absence.
     
  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    We seem to be wandering off the plot a little.

    Aliens haven't visited Earth as far as we know. The reason we're fairly confident of this is because there is no hard evidence of them existing - let alone visiting - now or in the past.


    Some interpretations of data/phenomena will invoke 'aliens' as a possible explanation - but that is not in-itself evidence of aliens.

    By comparison, any of that same data/phenomena can just as easily interpreted by invoking "God did it" as an equally possible explanation - but likewise, that is not in-itself "evidence of God".
     
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  14. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    Life on this planet should tell us that life elsewhere in the universe could be quite possible. Maybe even intelligent life. Space is so old though, and maybe aliens have arrived here and left, long before human life. If anything is possible, that could be possible.

    One would think though that there'd be some type of tangible evidence ''left behind'' if that were the case and there seems to be zilch.
     
  15. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Millions and trillions of leprechauns. Millions and trillions of unicorns.

    (I forget - do you believe in leprechauns and unicorns?)
     
  16. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    I thought we were making this thread an ad-hom free zone.

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  17. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Neither...I was referring to natural occurrences like geology and meteorology and climatology and animal events like evolution and migration and extinction..
     
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  18. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    There are many things that have occurred thruout history for which there is no hard evidence. The importance of eyewitnesses rises in proportion to the "tracelessness" of the historical event. UFO's may just be that sort of phenomenon.
     
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  19. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    There's evidence for those things. That's the only reason that they exist as subjects.
     
  20. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    UFO's = traceless event? OK, I agree.
     
  21. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The map is not the territory. These physical events happened whether we had evidence for them or not. Reality is strange that way ya know?
     
  22. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    That's true. As they say, science is science whether you believe in it or not. Leprechauns aren't real even if you do believe in them, ya know?

    Physical events happened whether we had evidence for them or not but we don't know about them if there was no evidence.
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Name a couple for which we have no evidence.
     

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