Universe created by God

Discussion in 'Religion' started by Xmo1, May 5, 2018.

  1. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    If you have a better explanation...?
     
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  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

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    The universe was created and is controlled by universe creating pixies. The evidence is all around you.
     
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  5. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    The simplest explanation: Lee Oswald acted alone and there is no God.
     
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  7. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I can't comment on Lee Oswald, but I disagree about the later. I will still raise my morning bowl of oatmeal and butter in thanks.
     
  8. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Raise it in a belief. Faith.
    My bold.
    Shouldn't that read: ''The absence of what I call existence. But then I wouldn't be around to make that call.''
    Your personal religious idea of existence is not a shared belief.
     
  9. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    You asked for a better explanation and I gave you one. But you don't really care about explanations, do you? You can superimpose your beliefs on any explanation. You can gild any lily with beliefs.
     
  10. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    Understanding

    Is it a "religious" idea?
     
  11. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    All you said is that there isn't a God. That's your belief.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    No. It's based on evidence. I've been asking you for evidence that God exists and you seem to be admiting that there is none. In fact, you seem to be smug in the attitude that you don't need any.
     
  13. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I've been telling you you are immersed in the evidence, but you insist the evidence be contained in a box. I'm not being smug. I'm being straight up with you.
     
  14. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Try to convict a criminal by telling the judge and jury that they're immersed in evidence. You might as well say we're immersed in unicorns. Unless you can point to specific evidence, you're providing no evidence at all.
     
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  15. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    But I'm not making an accusation. If I told you that no amount of money can buy what you have right now, would you believe me? Yet it's free.
     
  16. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    Faith is not evidence.
     
  17. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    That doesn't in any way address what I said. Try again.
     
  18. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    If I see God in a stack of bricks, how is that "Faith"?
     
  19. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I can't make you see. That's just it. If you are color blind and see green when the sky is blue, what can I possibly say that would convince you otherwise?
     
  20. gmilam Valued Senior Member

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    Like I said, Jan all over again.
     
  21. sweetpea Valued Senior Member

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    You have convinced yourself that God is everything and no evidence but your ''say so'' is needed. Others would say that's a measure of your faith that there is a God.

    Who is the one wearing his faith spectacles here and seeing nothing but God everywhere and in everything?
     
  22. Bowser Namaste Valued Senior Member

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    I suppose. If I believed the universe was a dead artifact, there would be no room for a God.

    Because everywhere I look I see God? What do you see?
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I hate to say it, Bows, but gmilam has a point. Your arguments are right out of Jan's textbook:

    Believes he has an irrefutable awareness of the world (i.e. to just *know* something in his hearty-heart )

    Believes he has perceptive abilities superior to others, and that others are deluded.

    Attempts to gaslight others, suggesting they cannot see what is (allegedly) right in front of them.


    The irony of course, is that you've described yourself.

    No person can justfiably claim that their view of the world is flawless. So when you are unable to doubt that your own view of the world might not be perfect, you end up being the colourblind one in the box.
     
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