Unlike Israel Syria has not resorted to retailiatory violence

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  1. abu_afak Banned Banned

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    Huh?

    Israel is not "stolen'.. Kurds/Kurdistan was/were however.

    LOL (Lots of Latakia).
    How idiotic.
    You'd be "all for Jews"... under Arab rule- and then slowly vanishing.

    We all know what would happen to Jews in a Single bi-national state.

    Look at the Copts in Egypt- or The Maronites in Lebanon. Or take just about any minority in any Arab or Muslim country.

    What a Joke.
     
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  3. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    "Huh". Huh?



    Yes, I'm afraid it is. Palestinians were driven off their land, what else would you call it?


    Yes, all for Jews under the appropriate government, living in peace.




    Look at any minority in any state. Idiot. Everything that has come out of your mouth is something against Islam or Arabs that is usually two-sided. Fucking annoying.
     
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  5. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Check Robert Fisk, Great war for civilization. Not all palestinians aim to kill you or all the jews, they just want an independent state. It is the IDF who maim and kill children, Of course Palestinians are not deviod of blame, but the initial violence was initiated by the IDF. You can claim Self defence against a policy, and the administration against that policy.
     
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  7. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    First of all, I referred to the protection and backing the US gives to Israel.

    Yes, Arab Hubris did take a beating, but the superpowers used their. Jews shouldn't have their own state particularly when there are already people there, Unfortunately the time for that debate has passed, Now, the focus must be on give the palestinians an identity and a homeland.
     
  8. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    When they make peace for real there will be a Home Land, and this all could have been avoided by the Arabs in 1947, if they had stayed inside the workings of the U.N. it isn't the Israelis that are at fault its the Arabs.

    Now what is suppose to happen to the Palestinians who weren't born in the Lands of Israel? remember the Right of Return only applies to those who were displaced in 1948.
     
  9. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    But there are enough Palestinians to do the job of genocide, regardless of those who don't want to kill all the Jews. Ans as for the statement;

    How many do they want to kill? Half? a Quarter?, a Third? or in the end ALL?

    How about not killing any of the Jews?
     
  10. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    The UN can pass another resolution. After all it extended 2000 years of right of return to Israelis.
     
  11. Mr.Spock Back from the dead Valued Senior Member

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    you mean jews......thats a mistake muslims are still trying to fix.

     
  12. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    They have tried to limit their attacks on military targets, but since Israel assasinates those that try to moderate, such as the two commanders who oversaw the ceasefire in 2001. That caused even more deaths, as there was no one to hold the ceasefire in place. Unfortunately, Hamas and the martyrs brigade are using terrorist tactics, which demeans their cause and hands Israel a big propaganda victory.
     
  13. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    School Buss?, Pizza Parlors?, Shopping Malls?, farmers going to market? 80 year old women? kids standing on the corner, a Greek Orthodox monk? bat mitzvah reception ? a nursery school?, foreign workers?, these are Military Targets?

    Apr 22, 2001 - Dr. Mario Goldin, 53, of Kfar Sava, was killed when a terrorist detonated a powerful bomb he was carrying near a group of people waiting at a bus stop on the corner of Weizman and Tchernichovsky streets. About 60 people were injured in the blast. Hamas claimed responsibility.

    Apr 28, 2001 - Simcha Ron, 60, of Nahariya, was found stabbed to death in Kfar Ba'aneh, near Carmiel in the Galilee. The terrorists responsible for the attack were apprehended in July.

    June 12, 2001 - Father Georgios Tsibouktzakis, 34, a Greek Orthodox monk from the St. George Monastery in Wadi Kelt in the Judean desert, was shot and killed while driving on the Jerusalem-Ma'ale Adumim road.

    Jan 17, 2002 - Edward Bakshayev, 48, of Or Akiva; Anatoly Bakshayev, 63, of Or Akiva; Aharon Ben Yisrael-Ellis, 32, of Ra'anana; Dina Binayev, 48, of Ashkelon; Boris Melikhov, 56, of Sderot; and Avi Yazdi, 25, of Hadera were killed and 35 injured, several seriously, when a terrorist burst into a bat mitzva reception in a banquet hall in Hadera shortly before 23:00, opening fire with an M-16 assault rifle. The Fatah Al-Aqsa Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Jan 27, 2002 - Pinhas Tokatli, 81, of Jerusalem was killed and over 150 people were wounded, four seriously, in a suicide bombing on Jaffa Road, in the center of Jerusalem, shortly before 12:30. The female terrorist, identified as a Fatah member, was armed with more than 10 kilos of explosives.

    Feb 6, 2002 - Miri Ohana, 45, and her daughter Yael, 11, were murdered in their home when an armed terrorist infiltrated Moshav Hamra, halfway between Jericho and Beit She'an in the Jordan Valley on Wednesday evening, opening fire. IDF reserve soldier, St.-Sgt. Maj.(res.) Moshe Majos Meconen, 33, of Beit She'an, was also killed in the attack. The terrorist, who entered the Ohana home disguised in IDF uniform, was killed by IDF forces. Both Fatah and Hamas claimed responsibility.

    Apr 12, 2002 - Nissan Cohen, 57; Rivka Fink, 75; Suheila Hushi, 48; and Yelena Konrab, 43, all of Jerusalem; and Ling Chang Mai, 34, and Chai Siang Yang, 32, both foreign workers from China, were killed and 104 people were wounded when a woman suicide bomber detonated a powerful charge at a bus stop on Jaffa road at the entrance to Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda open-air market. The Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Apr 30, 2003 - Ran Baron, 23, of Tel Aviv, Dominique Caroline Hass, 29, of Tel Aviv, and Yanai Weiss, 46, of Holon, were murdered and about 60 people were wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up at a beachfront pub, "Mike's Place," in Tel Aviv. The Fatah Tanzim and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out as a joint operation. Investigation revealed that the two British Muslims involved in the suicide bombing were dispatched to perpetrate the attack by the Hamas military command in the Gaza Strip.

    May 18, 2003 - Seven people were killed and 20 wounded in a suicide bombing on Egged bus no. 6 near French Hill in Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. The victims: Olga Brenner, 52; Yitzhak Moyal, 64; Nelly Perov, 55; Marina Tsahivershvili, 44; Shimon Ustinsky, 68; and Roni Yisraeli, 34 - all of the Pisgat Ze'ev neighborhood in Jerusalem; and Ghalab Tawil, 42, of Shuafat.
    A second suicide bomber detonated his bomb when intercepted by police in northern Jerusalem. The terrorist was killed; no one else was injured.

    June 17, 2003 - Noam Leibowitz, 7, of Yemin Orde was killed and three members of her family wounded in a shooting attack near the Kibbutz Eyal junction on the Trans-Israel Highway. The terrorist fired from the outskirts of the West Bank city of Kalkilya. The Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades and the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine - General Command claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Aug 12, 2003 - Yehezkel (Hezi) Yekutieli, 43, of Rosh Ha'ayin, was killed by a teenaged Palestinian suicide bomber who detonated himself at the local supermarket.

    Aug 19, 2003 - Twenty-three people were killed and over 130 wounded when a Palestinian suicide bomber detonated himself on a No. 2 Egged bus in Jerusalem's Shmuel Hanavi neighborhood. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Sept 9, 2003 - Seven people were killed and over 50 wounded when a suicide bomber at Cafe Hillel on Emek Refaim St., the main thoroughfare of the German Colony neighborhood in Jerusalem. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Jan 29, 2004 - Eleven people were killed and over 50 wounded, 13 of them seriously, in a suicide bombing of an Egged bus no. 19 at the corner of Gaza and Arlozorov streets in Jerusalem. Both the Fatah-related Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades and Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack, naming the bomber as Ali Yusuf Jaara, a 24-year-old Palestinian policeman from Bethlehem.

    Feb 22, 2004 - Eight people were killed and over 60 wounded, 11 of them school pupils, in a suicide bombing on Jerusalem bus no. 14A near the Liberty Bell Park. The Fatah Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack, which was carried out by Mohammed Za'ul, from the Bethlehem area.

    June 21, 2004 - A foreign worker, Weerachai Wongput, 37, from the Nong Han District of the northeastern province of Udon Thani in Thailand, died after being hit by shrapnel from a mortar fired into greenhouses in Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. The mortar was fired by Palestinians trying to divert attention from an attempt to infiltrate the settlement. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    June 28, 2004 - Mordechai Yosepov, 49, and Afik Zahavi, four, were killed when a Kassam rocket fired by Hamas terrorists in the Gaza Strip struck near a nursery school in the northern Negev town of Sderot.

    Oct 6, 2004 - Pratheep Nanongkham, 24, a greenhouse worker from Maha Sarakham province in Thailand, was killed when armed terrorists infiltrated the hothouse area of Kfar Darom in the central Gaza Strip. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Nov 1, 2004 - Three people were killed and over 30 wounded in a suicide bombing at the Carmel Market in central Tel Aviv. The Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine in Nablus claimed responsibility for the attack, carried out by Amar Alfar, 18, from Askar refugee camp in Nablus.

    Dec 14, 2004 - Jitladda Tap-arsa, 19, a female agricultural worker from Udon Thani’s Nong Han district in northereastern Thailand, was killed and two other foreign workers from Thailand and Nepal were wounded by mortar shells fired at Ganei Tal in the Gush Katif settlement bloc from the Gaza Strip.

    Oct 23, 2005 - Katy David, 27, of Kfar Yona, was found murdered in a grove of eucalyptus trees near Hadera. She was stabbed and beaten to death by two Arab terrorists, who later confessed that they murdered her "because she was a Jew."

    Apr 17, 2006 - Eleven people were killed and over 60 wounded in a suicide bombing during the Passover holiday at the Rosh Ha'ir shawarma restaurant, near the old central bus station in Tel Aviv. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Jan 29, 2007 - Three people were killed in a suicide bombing in a bakery in the southern city of Eilat: bakery employees and Eilat residents Emi Haim Elmaliah, 32, Michael Ben Sa'adon, 27, and Israel Zamalloa, 26. The Islamic Jihad and the Fatah al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades claimed responsibility for the attack.

    May 21, 2007 - Shirel Friedman, 32, of Sderot was killed when a Kassam rocket scored a direct hit on a car near the town's shopping center.

    May 27, 2007 - Oshri Oz, 36, of Hod Hasharon, was killed when a Kassam rocket landed near his car in Sderot. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Yes Military Targets.
     
  14. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Thats the problem with terrorism as i pointed out , it hands people like you a propaganda victory, you'll note that i also said that Israel's reataliatory attacks (suach as the killing of the architects of the ceasefire in 2001) is what often leads to these attacks.

    I wasn't trying to apologise for terrorism, Far from it, I said terrorism is a bad idea, primarily because it gives your enemy a propaganda victory. But Israel's expansions and subsequent retaliatory and sometime pre emptive strikes are what often sets off these cycles of violence.
     
  15. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    What cease fire?

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Terrorism/usvictims.html

    March 28, 2001, Neve Yamin. Bombing at bus stop. U.S. citizens injured: Netanel Herskovitz, 15, formerly of Hempstead, NY.

    May 9, 2001, Tekoa, West Bank. Kobi Mandell, 13, of Silver Spring, MD, an American-Israeli, was found stoned to death along with a friend in a cave near the Jewish settlement of Tekoa. Two organizations, the Islamic Jihad and Hizballah-Palestine, claimed responsibility for the attack.

    May 29, 2001, Gush Etzion, West Bank. The Fatah Tanzim claimed responsibility for a drive-by shooting of six in the West Bank that killed two American-Israeli citizens, Samuel Berg, and his mother, Sarah Blaustein. U.S. citizens injured: Norman Blaustein of Lawrence, NY.

    July 19, 2001, Hebron, West Bank. Shooting attack. U.S. citizens injured: An unidentified woman from Brooklyn, NY.

    August 9, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. A suicide bombing at Sbarro's, a pizzeria situated in one of the busiest areas of downtown Jerusalem, killed 15 people and wounded more than 90. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack. U.S. citizens killed: Judith L. Greenbaum, 31, of New Jersey and California, Malka Roth, 15, whose family was from New York. U.S. citizens injured: David Danzig, 21, of Wynnewood, PA, Matthew P. Gordon, 25, of New York, Joanne (Chana) Nachenberg, 31, Sara Shifra Nachenberg, 2.

    August 18, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. Shooting at a bus. U.S. citizen injured: Andrew Feibusch of New York.

    August 27, 2001, near Roglit, Israel. Shooting attack. U.S. citizen injured: Ben Dansker.

    September 11, 2001, New York, Washington D.C., and Pennsylvania, United States. During a carefully coordinated attack, 19 Islamist extremists hijacked four U.S. jetliners and forced them to crash into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. In all, 266 people perished in the four planes, and more than 3,000 people were killed on the ground. U.S. investigators determined on the basis of extensive evidence that Usama bin Ladin's al-Qaida group was responsible for the attack. The first plane, American Airlines Flight 11 en route from Boston to Los Angeles, crashed into the World Trade Center's north tower at 8:48 a.m. Eighteen minutes later, United Airlines Flight 175, also headed from Boston to Los Angeles, smashed into the World Trade Center's south tower. At 9:40 a.m. a third airplane, an American Airlines Boeing 757 that left Washington's Dulles International Airport for Los Angeles, crashed into the western part of the Pentagon where 24,000 people worked. The fourth plane, a United Airlines Flight 93 flying from Newark to San Francisco, crashed near Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, most likely before it could hit its target. Hundreds of firefighters, police officers and other rescue workers who arrived in the site after the first plane crash were killed or injured.

    November 4, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. Shoshana Ben-Yishai, 16, of Queens, NY was killed in a shooting at a bus station. U.S. citizen injured: Shlomo Kaye.

    December 2, 2001, Jerusalem, Israel. Bombing on Ben-Yehuda Street, Jerusalem. U.S. citizens injured: Ziv Brill, 17, of West Hempstead, Long Island, NY, Temima Spetner, 19, of St. Louis, MI, Jason Kirshenbaum of New Rochelle, NY, Israel Hirschfield, 18, Joseph Leifer, 29, of Borough Park (Brooklyn), NY.

    December 18, 2001, shooting on the Jerusalem-Shilo road. U.S. citizens injured: David Rubin, 44, of Brooklyn, NY, Asher "Ruby" Rubin, 3.
     
  16. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    Human Rights Watch points to the time frame starting in 2001, so what cease fire are you talking about? and who observed it from the Palestinian side?

    http://www.hrw.org/reports/2002/isrl-pa/ISRAELPA1002.pdf

    Erased In A Moment:
    Suicide Bombing Attacks Against Israeli
    Civilians

    Human Rights Watch
    New York • Washington • London • Brussels

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    Obligations of the Palestinian Authority and Armed Palestinian Groups
    The rules and obligations of IHL are clearest when applied to conflict
    between sovereign states. The responsibilities of non-state actors may differ
    from those of sovereign states, but non-state actors, too, have clear
    responsibilities under IHL. Many customary rules of IHL apply to all parties to a
    conflict, including non-state actors, provided that the confrontation is of an
    intensity that places it beyond the threshold of a mere disturbance.106
    Although it is not a sovereign state, the Palestinian Authority has explicit
    security and legal obligations set out in the Oslo Accords, an umbrella term for
    the series of agreements negotiated between the government of Israel and the
    PLO from 1993 to 1996. The PA obligations to maintain security and public
    order were set out in articles XII to XV of the 1995 Interim Agreement on the
    West Bank and Gaza Strip.107 These responsibilities were elaborated further in
    Annex I of the interim agreement, which specifies that the PA will bring to
    justice those accused of perpetrating attacks against Israeli civilians. According
    to article II (3) (c) of the annex, the PA will “apprehend, investigate and
    prosecute perpetrators and all other persons directly or indirectly involved in
    acts of terrorism, violence and incitement.”108
    Similarly, PA leaders, including President Arafat, have repeatedly pledged
    in meetings with international human rights organizations and in radio
    broadcasts, as well as in the Oslo Accords, that the PA intends to abide by
    internationally recognized human rights norms.109 In a situation of clashes that

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    rise to the level of armed conflict, PA security forces and other organized
    factions that engage in armed actions should abide by fundamental principles of
    international humanitarian law. They are also obliged to ensure respect for such
    principles by armed groups operating from territory under their effective control.

    The Palestinian Authority exists independently from the Palestine
    Liberation Organization. From 1974 to 1977, the PLO was one of several
    national liberation movements “recognized by the regional intergovernmental
    organizations” to participate in the diplomatic negotiations on the text of the two
    Additional Protocols to the Geneva Conventions.110 Under article 96 of Protocol
    I, non-state actors may commit, under certain specific circumstances, to apply
    the conventions and the protocol if they declare their willingness to do so to the
    Swiss government. The PLO has never made a declaration under article 96, and
    Israel is not a party to Protocol I. As a result, Protocol I does not apply to the
    current clashes, except for the provisions of Protocol I that are considered
    customary international law.
    The PLO Executive Committee wrote to the Swiss Federal Department of
    Foreign Affairs in June 1989 to inform it that, being “entrusted with the
    functions of the Government of the State of Palestine by decision of the
    Palestinian National Council,” it had decided on May 4, 1989 to adhere to the
    Geneva Conventions and their additional protocols.111 Due to the “uncertainty
    within the international community as to the existence or non-existence of a
    State of Palestine,” the Swiss government informed states that it could not
    decide whether the PLO letter constituted a valid instrument of accession. As a
    result of their unilateral declaration, the PLO and its constituent factions have
    nevertheless undertaken what is, at minimum, a strong moral commitment to
    uphold the most fundamental standards contained in the Geneva Conventions
    and Protocol I.
    Crimes Against Humanity
    The scale and systematic nature of the attacks on civilians detailed in this
    report meets the definition of a crime against humanity. Hamas and Islamic
    Jihad have claimed responsibility for suicide bombing attacks on civilians since

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    1994, and such attacks clearly represent organizational policy at the highest
    levels. Since January 2002, the al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades and the PFLP have
    also claimed responsibility for organizing and carrying out such attacks.
    The notion of “crimes against humanity” refers to acts that, by their scale
    or nature, outrage the conscience of humankind. Crimes against humanity were
    first codified in the charter of the Nuremberg Tribunal of 1945. Since then, the
    concept has been incorporated into a number of international treaties, including
    the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC). Although
    definitions of crimes against humanity differ slightly from treaty to treaty, all
    definitions provide that the deliberate, widespread, or systematic killing of
    civilians by an organization or government is a crime against humanity.112
    Unlike war crimes, crimes against humanity may be committed in times of
    peace or in periods of unrest that do not rise to the level of an armed conflict.
    The most recent definition of crimes against humanity is contained in the
    Rome Statute of the ICC, which entered into force on July 1, 2002. The statute
    defines crimes against humanity as the “participation in and knowledge of a
    widespread or systematic attack against a civilian population,” and “the multiple
    commission of [such] acts…against any civilian population, pursuant to or in
    furtherance of a State or organizational policy to commit such attack.” The
    statute’s introduction defines “policy to commit such attack” to mean that the
    state or organization actively promoted or encouraged such attacks against a
    civilian population. The elements of the “crime against humanity of murder”
    require that (1) “the perpetrator killed one or more persons,” (2) “[t]he conduct
    was committed as part of a widespread or systematic attack directed against a
    civilian population,” and (3) “[t]he perpetrator knew that the conduct was part

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    of, or intended the conduct to be part of, a widespread or systematic attack
    against a civilian population.”113
    Those who commit crimes against humanity, like war crimes, are held
    individually criminally responsible for their actions. Crimes against humanity
    give rise to universal jurisdiction, they do not admit the defense of following
    superior orders, and they do not benefit from statutes of limitation. International
    jurisprudence and standard setting of the last ten years have consolidated the
    view that those responsible for crimes against humanity and other serious
    violations of human rights should not be granted amnesty.114 As in the case of
    war crimes, all states are responsible for bringing those who commit crimes
    against humanity to justice.
    The pattern of suicide bombing attacks against Israel civilians that emerged
    in 2001 and intensified during 2002 clearly meets the criteria of a crime against
    humanity.
     
  17. Norsefire Salam Shalom Salom Registered Senior Member

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    Why should we "stay inside the workings of the UN" when it bullshits us and steals our land?


    No thanks. If our land gets stolen, we fight back. When our people are murdered and opressed, we'll fight back.

    Put yourself in the position. If the UN gave every single state, except for Rhode Island, back to the Natives, and you were forced to live in this Island, and were bullshitted, you'd be sitting here preaching this shit?
     
  18. Buffalo Roam Registered Senior Member

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    It was never your land, you keep saying your land, Syria is a construct of the French Mandate, there never was a Syria untill the French decided to make it, and Israel still isn't your land.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Syria

    Archaeologists have demonstrated that civilization in Syria was one of the most ancient on earth. Around the excavated city of Ebla in northern Syria, an Italian mission leaded by Prof. Paolo Matthiae discovered in 1975, a great Semitic empire spread from the Red Sea north to Turkey and east to Mesopotamia from 2500 to 2400 B.C. Ebla appears to have been founded around 3000 BC and gradually built its empire through trade with the cities of Sumer and Akkad, as well as with peoples to the northwest. Gifts from Pharoah found during excavations confirm Ebla's contact with Egypt. Scholars believe the language of Ebla to be among the oldest known written Semitic languages. The Eblan civilization was likely conquered by Sargon of Akkad around 2260 BC; the city was restored as the nation of the Amorites a few centuries later and flourished through the early second millennium BC until conquered by the Hittites.

    Syria in antiquity

    Phillippus Araps (Roman Emperor) During the second millennium BC, Syria was occupied successively by Canaanites, Phoenicians, and Arameans as part of the general disruptions associated with the Sea Peoples. The Hebrews eventually settled south of Damascus, in the areas later known as Palestine; the Phoenicians settled along the coastline of these areas as well as in the west, in the area (Lebanon) already known for its cedars. Egyptians, Sumerians, Assyrians, Babylonians, and Hittites variously occupied the strategic ground of Syria during this period, as it was a marchland between their various empires. Eventually the Persians took control of Syria as part of their general control of Southwest Asia; this control transferred to the Greeks after Alexander the Great's conquests and thence to the Romans and the Byzantines.

    Syria was an important Roman province from 64 BC.

    In the Roman period, the great city of Antioch (it was called "the Athens of the east" at that time) was the capital of Syria and one of the largest cities in the world at that time with a total estimated population of 500,000, the city was one of the largest centers of trade and industry in the ancient world. As one of the wealthiest and more populous provinces of the Roman Empire, it is estimated that the population of Syria in the early Roman Empire was only exceeded in the XIX century.

    In the 3rd century Syria was home to Elagabalus, a Roman emperor of the Severan dynasty who reigned from 218 to 222. Elagabalus' family held hereditary rights to the priesthood of the sun god El-Gabal, of whom Elagabalus was the high priest at Emesa (modern Homs) in Syria.


    In 1920, an independent Arab Kingdom of Syria was established under King Faisal of the Hashemite family, who later became the King of Iraq. However, his rule over Syria ended after only a few months, following the clash between his Syrian Arab forces and regular French forces at the Battle of Maysalun. French troops occupied Syria later that year after the League of Nations put Syria under French mandate. Syria and France negotiated a treaty of independence in September of 1936, and Hashim al-Atassi, who was Prime Minister under King Faisal's brief reign, was the first president to be elected under a new constitution, effectively the first incarnation of the modern republic of Syria
     
  19. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, some one who knows a little, George Tenet brokered a plan, it was suppost to take effect June, 1st, and the Palestinians broke it the first day of June;

    June 1, 2001 - 21 people were killed and 120 wounded when a suicide bomber blew himself up outside a disco near Tel Aviv's Dolphinarium along the seafront promenade just before midnight on Friday, June 1, while standing in a large group of teenagers waiting to enter the disco.


    June 12, 2001 - Father Georgios Tsibouktzakis, 34, a Greek Orthodox monk from the St. George Monastery in Wadi Kelt in the Judean desert, was shot and killed while driving on the Jerusalem-Ma'ale Adumim road.

    June 22, 2001 - Sgt. Aviv Iszak, 19, of Kfar Saba, and Sgt. Ofir Kit, 19, of Jerusalem, were killed near Dugit in the Gaza Strip as a jeep with yellow Israeli license plates, supposedly stuck in the sand, blew up as they approached. Hamas claimed responsibility for the attack.

    Yes we see how well the Palestinians comply with cease fires that they sign.
     
  21. Zakariya04 and it was Valued Senior Member

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    hey Sam

    i hope all is good

    have you seen this article too.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,2196019,00.html



    Weren't you in the IDF spocky, if so after reading the article posted above its not suprising you have this attitude, hopefully you wre just trying to post me a clever response!!!

    Anyway i hope your weekend went good and i nwas wondering whether you now had chance to consider my invitation.


    ~~~~~~~~~
    cheers
    zak
     
  22. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    http://www.counterpunch.org/niva08272003.html

    Plan took effect on 13 june.. and the target right on 22 june was a military patrol. What i'm surprised is the fact that Tenet actually managed to do something other than resign.
     
  23. Challenger78 Valued Senior Member

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    Buffalo.. According to you there were no attacks on CIVILIANS since June 1

    Note in my above post the plan came into effect on june 13. Since then according to http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=2047
    the next three attacks have been on MILITARY targets. Until the two commanders overseeing the ceasefire were assassinated by israelis.

    July 9, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near an IDF vehicle in
    the area of Gush Katif in the Gaza Strip, resulting in the injury of an IDF
    soldier.


    June 22, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb near IDF forces in
    Alei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. Two IDF soldiers were killed, and another
    soldier was wounded.

    Aug. 8, 2001 - A suicide bomber detonated a car bomb next to the Bekaot
    checkpoint in the West Bank. An IDF soldier was injured.
     

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