Unworthy of Life

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by SetiAlpha6, Sep 26, 2021.

  1. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

    I am sure I could think of worse examples, like for instance the example that wasting one's life in a prestigious, pointless little office job in a crummy city is something to aspire to. Anyway, while it may be true that abortion is a bad example given to others because it makes them careless, I would say that abortion is beneficial overall. Maybe people should just learn to think for themselves so that the rest of us don't have to worry about setting any bad examples.
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  3. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

    I don't know why. Why do so many people think that ignorance somehow makes people less rational? it needn't. Anyway, that is not propaganda as far as a know. It might come in the form of propaganda, but I honestly think that it is better for abortion to be legal, so that the population doesn't get too large and unwanted babies don't die horrible deaths and women's lives aren't ruined by said babies.

    Why was the court case settled? I'm not saying that women's rights had anything to do with it. I don't care if they did. I care about results. Did you think that I thought it was about women's rights? I actually hadn't speculated about the reasoning behind it at all.
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  5. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

    I try to stay on the objectively right path, as a libertarian. However, the best I can do is make estimations sometimes, which leaves me at risk of straying from said path. I don't think that ending a life is a cost if that life has never been self aware and nobody wants it around, unless you mean financial cost of course. Otherwise, ending life is probably quite a cost.
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    social compliance & the over reach of moral authority
    season 1

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    act 1
    thou shalt do as i say because
    act 2
    thou shalt do as i say because because
    act 3
    what ever act 1 was
    applies twice as much because i said it does

    act 4
    huh ? did someone say something ?

    act 5
    best examples are always best as long as you can tell others what to do

    to those young women trying to think about their values around abortion
    imagine that it is a life or death issue & you must defend yourself at all costs
    even if that means lethal force against the attacker

    that's the reality
    men have no business in the debate of what YOU choose & there is no right or wrong answer
    only what is best for you at the time
    your taking on a risk
    a risk men never have to face
  8. Holly-May Leslie Registered Member

    Lol Rainbow I think you are pretty much just being a bully now.
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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    LoLz !

    bullying usually involves destroying someones self image

    i am doing the reverse (or more soo neutral & egocentrics & narcissists hate that)

    bullying involves denial of liberal freedoms & human rights

    i am doing the opposite

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  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    What may be problematic is if the state allows only 1 child per family and all other pregnancies must be aborted or surrendered to the state. This was China' s policy for awhile, because they have a terrible overpopulation problem.

    One-child policy
  11. Luchito Registered Senior Member

    Well, if the case is about making estimations, then those must start right before having sex without protection, it saves a lots of further consequences.
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

    It must start in any case, since no birth control is 100%.
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    IMO, if the State flat out forbids abortion and forces you to bring every pregnancy to term, the State becomes responsible for all costs of bringing the fetus to term and for all expenses incurred after the child is born. If the State leaves no choice, the State becomes responsible for the consequences.
  14. billvon Valued Senior Member

    Nonsense! Texas will outlaw abortion then stick you with all the costs. And if you don't pay them, they will throw you in jail.

    It's nice to be the king.
  15. Bells Staff Member

    Access to the Amnesty International report can be found here: https://www.amnesty.org/en/documents/AMR45/5032/2021/en/

    A staggering two girls aged between 10 and 14 give birth every day in Paraguay, a report by Amnesty International has revealed.

    In a report titled: They are girls, not mothers, the non-government organisation said that between 2019 and 2020, at least 1000 girls aged under 14 gave birth, with 12,000 births from teenagers between 15 and 19.

    Family members were found to be the biggest perpetrators of sexual violence, with more than 80 per cent of cases taking place in the family.

    “In the majority of cases, the perpetrator is the victim’s stepfather, father, grandfather, neighbour or uncle,” the report stated.

    “This is someone who is meant to be a person of trust or reference who has unrestrictive access to the child.”

    Paraguay’s draconian abortion laws also meant girls and women who need access to abortion are unable to receive it. The act is largely banned, unless the woman, girl or adolescent develops complications which put her life at danger. This means rape, unwanted pregnancy or a lack of economic viability are all unqualified reasons why someone could seek out an abortion.

    The result of this means girls aged between 10 to 19 are over-represented in maternal deaths, accounting for one in 10 fatalities in Paraguay. Amnesty also report girls and teenagers in this age group represent 13 per cent of deaths from unsafe abortions, which also happens to be the leading cause of maternal deaths globally.


    Guess those children should have asked their rapists to wear condoms, huh?

    Right to life my arse!
  16. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    George Carlin was so right.

    Warning crude language
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  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    both, india & china have poor history's with over population
    Africa too
    matched with under resourcing
    but only china did something about it

    hard to lay any blame on chinas door step when they are the only country who made a rule
    i think the biggest thorn in their side would be lack of contraceptive medication distribution & combined sex education for children moving into sexual experimentation

    yet both china AND india have thousands of years of history of using manual labour as a profit vehicle in a hard labour world
    more workers = more profit = more better quality of life for everyone
    and more security

    not talking about you write4u
    unfortunately a lot of ignorant people claim to think they have a valid opinion
    but they lack such a vast amount of knowledge

    india has issues with old world culture domination which will prevent contraceptives & science
    china has its own ancient medicines & issues but is considerably more modern by its collective force of government & the peoples will

    there is no use to have all things available to everyone if all things cost money & there is not an income for all people

    & here we arrive at your point

    investment security into a life
    investing in the childs health & schooling
    investing in contraceptives & medical services for women & girls

    regardless of it being defined as socialism or capitalism
    the leaders govern at the will of the people

    both have their short comings

    it is in this reality that it is complete insane irony that such western privilege & wealth would deny a women the right over her own body
    it is morally outrageous
  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    Sanctity of Life?"

    Sanctity of life

    Yes, and humans get to judge the degrees of sanctity that may be assigned to life

    Life is Sacred?

    "Sanctity" redirects here.

    What are we, a secular Democracy or a Theocracy?
  19. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    Theocracy? republicans as conservatives define the church as the highest power
    all presidents must swear on a bible & go to a special baptism
    "conservative" judges define themself as agents of the word of the bible through their interpretation
    laid out in laws
    democrats = modern Christianity & secular
    republican = conservative Christianity & conventional Christianity(settler style liberal law conservative morals)

    Democratic Theocracy
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    OK, what do we do with the First Amendment of the US Constitution, the "Establishment Clause" that commands the "Separation of Church and State"?
  21. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

    who wrote it

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    (a boys club seeking to build an empire out of a common dream)

    what did they write it for

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    (to gain & ratify their own power with various sales points like seeking the will of the disaffected)

    what does it achieve

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    (an ability to remove power away from the church holding legal authority over the military)

    the separation of church & state in the USA is probably more about dividing power away from the church to allow a different power system's outside the church

    (note clubs & organizations which also hold more power than churches or states[there is nothing insidious about groups organizations or clubs holding more power than the church or state, it is a natural social construct of liberal social free will to democratically self define, however a lot of the conditioning of people has defined polar extremes of the moral value of those groups based on ignorant inept application of terms & meanings ])
    the state operates as a church based on its self definition of express terms
    it is inherently christian
    that is neither good nor bad
    because the real question should be
    is the state empathic & accountable to the needs of its citizens which give it the authority & power & income that it uses relys on and demands of all others including its citizens.

    my personal leaning is for a secular state which empowers all non abusive religions to be equally self representing

    i don't think churches should be given power
    they do not owe any accountability to the citizens like the state in theory has demands to comply with.

    too much rainbow ?

    you dont need to re-invent the wheel if you want to build a hover craft
    you have to invent a hover craft
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  22. Write4U Valued Senior Member

    IMO, this clause is designed to protect both governing systems, in accordance with the freedom of religion.

    Note that the Church used to be the exclusive governing system in most countries and still is in some.
    But in modern secular societies that respect the freedom of all belief systems, this presents a dilemma.

    It does not mean the establishment of Religion as the governing power, nor does it mean that the State has the right to restrict the practice of religion.
    It is a two-way street, designed to act as a true separation of Church and State.

    But of course, it has become corrupted by the Church, which has infiltrated the State and seeks to reestablish religion as governing law. Woe to atheists.

    Point of interest. The official creed of the old Inquisition was;
    And it was the Church that decided what was evil and what was piety. As they still do in Muslim theocracies.
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