Using alcohol as a working fluid in boilers

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  1. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Surely there is some sort of energy that does not require oxygen to burn in order to generate electricity.

    that is my only objection
     
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  3. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm can you talk more about molecular bonds and if you think they are created by magnetic attraction of two electron's?
     
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  5. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    Sure. Spacing between heat sources is outlined by the koide formula. It’s got to be at least 1/3 otherwise the heat becomes a part of the same system.

    every elemental particle has a maximum heat, an efficient heat, and a minimal heat.
     
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  7. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Just to inject some sanity into this nutterfest for a moment, molecular (covalent) bonds are not created by magnetism. They are due to electrostatic attraction between the electrons in the bonding orbitals and the atomic nuclei.
     
  8. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    Okay so when you burn a piece of paper, you break the molecules in the paper with heat, and are left with ash. The heat pulls apart the magnetic bond of the electrons and they go back to there original state around there original atom's. Where is the extra energy coming from that keeps the fire spreading? Are electrons converting to heat and light? why is Oxygen needed to bond to carry on the flame? What is the smoke? Is it made of atoms from the paper? What is the ash? according to the aether being a medium of density/heat.
     
  9. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    It's not a magnetic bond.
     
  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    What are you talking about? I've just told you: bonds are not magnetic. They are electrostatic in nature.

    Combustion does not involve anything going back to its "original state", whatever that means. In combustion, the bonds between the atoms in the material that is burnt break, in order to form new, stronger bonds with oxygen, thus lowering the energy of the system, and thereby releasing heat.

    I'm going the ignore the rest of your questions for the time being, as there is so much wrong with the first statement that it is necessary to get that clear first.
     
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  11. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    The only problem I see with that is basically because oxygen is not the main source of any combustion. Any liquid turning into a gas can considered combustion doesn’t mean we have an engine to help define it apart from an explosion. Human body temperature is above ambient temperatures and we don’t consider ourselves combustible. We know we generate electricity. An electricity we refuse to define in order to believe we are something more. Science will never define us until we decide to define ourselves by science.
     
  12. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    No, it can't. Water boiling is not "combustion." It's boiling.
    Engines do not define combustion.
    A human body is very combustible in a mostly-oxygen atmosphere.
    Couldn't parse that woo, sorry.
     
  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This is word salad. You are having another psychotic episode. Take your meds.
     
  14. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 72 years oldl Valued Senior Member

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    Years ago on a program call CSI The team were investigating a case of a human being killed by so called Spontaneous Combustion

    While the body had almost been reduced to ash the surrounding area was untouched

    Turns out the person had been smoking, cigarette had dropped down inside the blanket the person had wrapped around themselves and the flames had created a updraft funnel effect consuming the body leaving the surrounding area almost untouched

    Very combustible

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  15. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    Geez I can't even find anything about what happens when you pressurize alcohol.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Its pressure increases. Since alcohol (ethanol to be specific) is a liquid nothing much else happens. Basic physics.
     
  17. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    This is pretty interesting watch and narration. Maybe you could use alcohol or another substance in the vacuum to achieve low temperatures that could be used in refrigeration.
     
  18. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    So colder magnets have stronger magnetism then a heated or room temp magnet. I'm gonna say that the heat slows down the electron's oscillation in the magnet just like time dilation heat/density does, and this makes it a slower 'fan'. When the magnet is cold the electrons are faster in oscillation and a stronger 'fan'. Any who I've been trying to contemplate a way to keep the magnet in a generator ice cold so that you can AGAIN burn less fuel to get the same amount of power. I thought of hollowing out a magnet or using donut shaped magnets and simply putting an ice core in the center, the ice core could be replaced when it melts or somehow circulate a cooling system through the magnet.
     
  19. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    Energy that is free moving moves faster through the cold. The cold Ather allows for the expanding heat Aether that is energy to move at the speed it does. In stars, we are far away enough from the nucleus of the universe, that the Aether is cold and allows for the rapid motion of molecules. If the Aether were hotter then the star molecules would be stuck, but since the density of the space the star sits in is cold it readily receives the energy from fusion. I have considered many different possibilities on what casues fusion. My leading theory is that two nuclei crashing together release an amount of their component smaller nuclei into orbit and this releases heat from the gravity field of the nucleus. These smaller nuclei form a universe after the stars death and the universe moves in one direction like time, it expands out. To think of nature's code to regeneration of a dead universe would be divine.
     
  20. Beaconator Valued Senior Member

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    So I take it you see nothing wrong with the statement before it?
     
  21. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    ?? Were you not aware that things boil at lower temperatures when the pressure is reduced?
    Nope. No efficiency improvements. The strength of a magnet in a motor affects things like base speed and maximum torque but does not affect efficiency in a well designed motor.
    Nope. The opposite is true. Photons travel faster through hot air simply because it is less dense. (This is how mirages form by the way; hot air near the ground refracts light.) In vacuum, of course, there is no temperature.
     
  22. trevor borocz johnson Registered Senior Member

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    No pope, the magnet's strength would determine how wide a range power reaches, and I know for a FACT that when the magnet's get too hot they deform and are useless, keeping them cold in the generator would give you more power range. I wonder if the copper in the coil is making use of one hundred percent of the magnetic fields force, why waste money spinning the magnet if you aren't using 100% of its utility.
     
  23. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. For example, increasing the magnetic strength in a BLDC motor increases torque - but decreases base speed (its top speed under normal commutation.)
    Yes, once a magnet reaches its Curie temperature it loses magnetism permanently. Solution - do not let it get that hot.
    You'd get more torque and a lower top speed. Since torque times RPM is power, your total power would stay the same.
    You don't really understand this topic, do you.
     

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