Vast explosives cache missing in Iraq, U.N. says

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  1. Undecided Banned Banned

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    they were on their way there. before they had arrived it was already looted.

    Which goes to show that the US didn't have enough men to do the job. Of all the sites in Iraq to be secured first and foremost it should fmr. nuclear installations, hmm...? Wouldn't that make sense taking into consideration that the whole purpose of this idiotically wasteful war was over those same installations?

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    The fact that the US secured the oil ministry before any other is an indication that this war was a farce.

    and nico, the man did not say a thing about Iraq or Saddam, except that the Americans are being very brutal in Fallujah

    Either you are lying, or you have a early stage of Alzheimer's I will quote:

    So which am I to believe othhy?

    -or-

    I am at a loss for words honestly.

    and he did not "regurgitate Zionist propaganda". he's a historian and he presented some very interesting things.

    Well since I wasn't there I cannot pass much judgement but I wouldn't put to much into a man who was sponsered to come to the university by Halhal or whatever that Zionist organization calls itself.

    saddam was not sparking the whole thing, he was using a flamethrower.

    And now you revert to this statement wow, where is your head at? Saddam was a threat...back in the 80's when we supported him by taking him off the terrorist supporting list, giving him Anthrax, nuclear weapons technology, reactors, advanced radars, missiles, satellite photo's of Iranian positions, etc. The only thing here that is using a flamethrower is hypocrisy.

    Saddam was a grave threat to everyone's interests, not just the US, by being sparky. anyway, that's a whole different debate.

    How was Saddam of 2003 a threat to anyone? I know Zionists love to equate threat to Israel with the world. But I would love to hear how this works.

    i didn't rank the armies in order of strength, but in order of amount of weapons. please read carefully. such assumptions and bad reading skills will get you D's in university.

    You were implying that, and you even said:

    In your infintile sarcasm implying that there was a order of strength otherwise knowing that Saddam's military was a shit box. I don't understand you would state the sarcasm. Sorry what get's ppl D's is not owning up to his own assertions when confronted.

    the weapons were there, available for just about anyone to grab, including those who Saddam gave the weapons to.

    You're going to have to prove that, you have to show me when, where, to whom, etc. Saddam gave these weapons to? Merely saying it does not mean it happened.

    if u don't agree that's fine. that's all i'm gonna say about that

    You are a misguided child, do you even get the difference btwn belief and informed opinion until you get to the cognitive stage of the latter there is no hope.
     
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    NBCNEWS: HUGE CACHE OF EXPLOSIVES VANISHED FROM SITE IN IRAQ -- AT LEAST 18 MONTHS AGO -- BEFORE TROOPS ARRIVED
    http://www.drudgereport.com/nbcw.htm
    XXXXX DRUDGE REPORT XXXXX MON OCT 25 2004 22:45:05 ET XXXXX

    NBCNEWS: HUGE CACHE OF EXPLOSIVES VANISHED FROM SITE IN IRAQ -- AT LEAST 18 MONTHS AGO -- BEFORE TROOPS ARRIVED

    The NYTIMES urgently reported on Monday in an apprent October Surprise: The Iraqi interim government has warned the United States and international nuclear inspectors that nearly 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives are now missing from one of Iraq's most sensitive former military installations.

    Jumping on the TIMES exclusive, Dem presidential candidate John Kerry blasted the Bush administration for its failure to "guard those stockpiles."

    "This is one of the great blunders of Iraq, one of the great blunders of this administration," Kerry said.

    In an election week rush:

    **ABCNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 4 Times
    **CBSNEWS Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 7 Times
    **MSNBC Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 37 Times
    **CNN Mentioned The Iraq Explosives Depot At Least 50 Times

    But tonight, NBCNEWS reported: The 380 tons of powerful conventional explosives were already missing back in April 10, 2003 -- when U.S. troops arrived at the installation south of Baghdad!

    An NBCNEWS crew embedded with troops moved in to secure the Al-Qaqaa weapons facility on April 10, 2003, one day after the liberation of Iraq.

    According to NBCNEWS, the HMX and RDX explosives were already missing when the American troops arrived.

    It is not clear why the NYTIMES failed to inform readers how the cache had been missing for 18 months -- and was reportedly missing before troops even arrived.

    The TIMES left the impression the weapons site had been looted since Iraq has been under US control.

    [In a fresh Page One story set for Tuesday on the matter, the TIMES once again omits any reference to troops not finding any explosives at the site when they arrived in April of 2003. Attempts to reach managing editor Jill Abramson late Monday were unsuccessful.]

    "The U.S. Army was at the site one day after the liberation and the weapons were already gone," a top Republican blasted from Washington late Monday.

    The International Atomic Energy Agency inspectors last saw the explosives in January 2003 when they took an inventory and placed fresh seals on the bunkers.

    Dem vp hopeful John Edwards blasted Bush for not securing the explosives: "It is reckless and irresponsible to fail to protect and safeguard one of the largest weapons sites in the country. And by either ignoring these mistakes or being clueless about them, George Bush has failed. He has failed as our commander in chief; he has failed as president."

    A senior Bush official e-mailed DRUDGE late Monday: "Let me get this straight, are Mr. Kerry and Mr. Edwards now saying we did not go into Iraq soon enough? We should have invaded and liberated Iraq sooner?"

    Top Kerry adviser Joe Lockhart fired back Monday night: "In a shameless attempt to cover up its failure to secure 380 tons of highly explosive material in Iraq, the White House is desperately flailing in an effort to escape blame. Instead of distorting John Kerry’s words, the Bush campaign is now falsely and deliberately twisting the reports of journalists. It is the latest pathetic excuse from an administration that never admits a mistake, no matter how disastrous."

    Developing...
     
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  5. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    ..boring

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    That article doesn't seem to make much sense to me Mr.Drudge, let's see:

    Then this gem of lies:

    Huh?

    Then:

    Critical thinking goes a long way Bush supporters, observe: Ok since they arrived on April 10th 2003, then the weapons were "looted" around Janurary-April of 2002? Yet the UN states that they last saw the weapons in Janurary 2003? Hmmm...whose lying here? Also what Al Qaeda weapons facility? Oh man this is getting better and better.
     
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    :bugeye: how can Iaq have the 4th biggest stockpile of weapons??? and Iraq doesnt even have nukes so what are you saying bitch???

    or are you trying to be sarcastic well in that case...NO!!!. dont kill it, what a crap joke, never, er i dont think so, killed it, nevah yo, naaaahh
     
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  9. neoclassical Banned Banned

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    Saddam was the Middle East's best hope of resisting Israeli occupation. Hence, he is "evil" and a Nazi.

    Israel has nuclear weapons, nuclear subs and a massive nerve gas development program. Hoo boy, it'll be funny watching those religious fanatics destroy the world.
     
  10. CounslerCoffee Registered Senior Member

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    How'd you get that number?
     
  11. otheadp Banned Banned

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    by smoking plutonium-grade crack

    there are new revalations about this item.
    1) Russians may have taken this stuff [link]
    2) it may have been 3, rather than 380 tons [link]

    activist media will say anything to create controversy and derail Bush, won't they. who cares about facts or any investigations? who cares about other possibilities? who cares about what really happened? we have an agenda to get Kerry elected here...
     
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    How'd you get that number?

    By simple math, re-read my post and it will be readily aparant as to why it didn't make sense.

    Othhy:

    by smoking plutonium-grade crack

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    Oh oth, Bush doesn't deserve to be re-elected, cognitive members of society cannot understand how he is still in the race. This "losing" of tonnes of explosives is only part of the story, with the Iraqi PM calling the coalition incompotent when 50+ soldiers were murdered, to not finding WMD, and creating more "terrorists" then it solved, the Bush administration's TRUE fisaco's the media has largely ignored.
     
  13. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Staff Member

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    How about that Giuliani, eh? "Blame the troops!"

    He must be listening to Ashlee Simpson too much. I wonder if this will haunt him if he runs in '08?
     
  14. otheadp Banned Banned

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    Giuliani '08, he's an ideal candidate. i don't even mind Giuliani '04.

    re: 50 soldiers massacred,

    1) name the perpetrators, don't blame it on Bush
    2) an Arab gov't official said that they were too careless (the recruits) because they wanted to get home so they hurried without their weapons and went thru an unauthorized route

    i know, it's easiest to blame Bush
     
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    Giuliani '08, he's an ideal candidate. i don't even mind Giuliani '04.

    So you support him blaming the incompetent American forces instead of the truly incompetent President? Wasn’t the GOP supposed to be the war party? I love Chicken hawks like yourself and PNAC, soldiers are only tools in a game that you fundamentally don’t understand, but created. Giuliani is a “real” candidate not because he’s a good leader but because like Bush he conjures up images of “bravery”, even though New York residents hated the guy right before 9/11. I could imagine his motto for his election “remember 9.11” because that’s all he’s got.

    1) name the perpetrators, don't blame it on Bush

    I can’t name the perpetrators can you? I can blame it on Bush who of course, if it wasn’t for his completely and utterly wasteful and idiotic invasion thousands of innocent Iraqi’s wouldn’t have died. Like Truman said about the oval office “the buck stops here”.

    2) an Arab gov't official said that they were too careless (the recruits) because they wanted to get home so they hurried without their weapons and went thru an unauthorized route

    This is exactly why I think you live in a bubble:

    http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/113678/1/.html

    That “Arab gov’t official” was the PM of Iraq, handpicked by the administration. When a puppet says that, its pretty ominous.

    i know, it's easiest to blame Bush

    No I blame ignorance…thanks for a good time.
     
  16. otheadp Banned Banned

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    Allawi criticized
    but the guy i mentioned was not Allawi. he was one of the people involved in training these guys.

    do'nt forget that Allawi has to prove his credibility to Iraqis. bitching once and a while is expected and probably requested by the Americans. it's all good.
     
  17. otheadp Banned Banned

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,137017,00.html

     
  18. Undecided Banned Banned

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    Allawi criticized

    That was the “official” which has even called the US in essence incompetent and in essence the administration of GWB.

    but the guy i mentioned was not Allawi. he was one of the people involved in training these guys.

    Source would be nice, and secondly it doesn’t matter what the guy you are talking about said. Because when the puppet of Iraq is even criticizing the admin. Something is fundamentally wrong. I still do not for the life of my understand why Americans still support Bush. Its absolutely amazing.

    do'nt forget that Allawi has to prove his credibility to Iraqis. bitching once and a while is expected and probably requested by the Americans. it's all good.

    politics is a dirty game….and people wonder why politicians are so hated

    Your quote about the Europeans…where’s the outrage now?
     
  19. otheadp Banned Banned

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    what outrage? man your little mind is overwhelmed from all the information coming your way. it's ok go have a nap
     
  20. Undecided Banned Banned

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    I think this is MUCH more damning for the US:

    http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/10/29/iraq.main/index.html

    Hmmm…more evidence from the top US weapons inspector in Iraq basically staing that indeed the US most likely had the banned explosives under her watch, and the video evidence is there:

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    The plot thickens…it seems that the fissile material was under American control at the time after the Iraqi collapse. And now its in Bush’s hands, its his election to lose.
     
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    Well I just woke up, I don't need a nap now although thank you for showing concern. My little mind is doing fine, obviously its working at a higher level then our friend who indulges in the lower pleasures.
     
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    Even more info about the Pentagon’s…failed attempt to salveage its image:

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/iraq/images/al-qaqaa_041028-d-0000m-001-m.jpg
    Those pictures specifically, so no GWB try again the evidence is really to show how incompetent this admin. has really been.
     
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