Was Christ a Republican or a Democrat?

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  1. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Ballocks.
     
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  3. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Contrary to common belief, the Jewish temple was not controlled by Jews. And that was the whole (political) issue.
     
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  5. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Standard media grammar is not always a reliable reflection of reality.
    I see your point. But I've been under the impression that the atomic bomb was not common knowledge - in fact, top secret. I can't believe the electorate at large was consulted on any of those ensuing decisions.
     
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  7. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    "Media" in this case includes letters from soldiers and families as published in local newspapers, writings preserved in family journals and records, speeches by politicians appealing to constituents, sermons delivered from pulpits (used to be bound in collections, with copies to local libraries and colleges), traveling shows, etc.
    Of course not. But lots of people were, at least informally, including many not in the official chain of command. Meanwhile the secrecy extended to the Japanese, thereby forestalling any chance of it affecting their decisions or abetting earlier surrender (as expected, the Japanese began surrendering as soon as they figured out what had happened to Hiroshima - information they could been provided as early as January of that year, even presented with the assembly of the first generation uranium gun design along with certainty of successful assembly of the second generation plutonium Bomb by March. The Russian command knew, the American command directly involved knew, everyone who was aware of American interest in uranium from newly captured sources in Africa et al knew: essentially, of the relevant parties only the Japanese command was kept in the dark - for reasons that aside from an assumption of utterly amoral practicality (testing both the new bombs on real cities with real hospitals and real schools and real women and children in them) made little sense then, and less now, the American command refused to confront the Japanese command with their unavoidable choice and fate as soon as possible.

    Christ was not a member of either Party, that year.
     
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  8. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    I concur.
     
  9. Curious layman Registered Member

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    Believe it or not, the atomic bombs had little to do with the Japanese surrender.
    They were more worried about the Russians.

    (9 mins in)
    Freeman Dyson- living through four revolutions.
     
  10. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    It's possible to consider more than one factor when making an important decision. I do think that obtaining a surrender from the Japanese was a significant one.
     
  11. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    No, it wasn't, as the decision-makers were well aware. That was the cover story given to the American public, and it's worked its usual, insidious way into folk wisdom - what "everybody knows". There have been thousands of these tenets of faith deliberately injected into the public consciousness, through the education system, entertainment media and written history.
    This is the reason I give the voting population a partial pardon on its bad decisions.
     
  12. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Bullshit.
     
  13. Jeeves Valued Senior Member

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    Faith.
     
  14. spidergoat Venued Serial Memberlist Valued Senior Member

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    Understanding of history and culture. I don't know what this has to do with the topic.
     
  15. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    Months of worry about Russians, tightening blockade by Americans - intransigent defense of country and culture, no surrender.

    Find out about Bomb - complete and "unconditional" (formally) surrender within days.

    As predicted, by those scheduling the Bomb reveal. Why else delay the reveal?
    Bipartisan bad faith and excuse mongering. Christ had no seat at that table.
     
  16. Curious layman Registered Member

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    They dropped two bombs on them before they surrendered, hardly instant.
    I know very little about subject to be honest, was just something I found very interesting, i mean, I knew the Japanese were tough little b***ards, but to not be influenced to surrender by two atomic bombs is crazy.
    I imagine that it was a combination of events and maybe the Russian situation was the straw that broke the camels back as they say.
    Fascinating either way I think.

    Oh, and sorry for taking thread this off topic, for what it's worth, I think Christ would of been a member of the Green Party.
     
  17. davewhite04 Valued Senior Member

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    Why?
     
  18. iceaura Valued Senior Member

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    In quick succession - before the Japanese command could react to the first one.
    Planned that way.
    The Russians timed their attack to take advantage of the Bombs, grab as much as they could before the surrender they and every other knowledgable person considered inevitable.
    There is no thread topic per se. Bowser is trying to deflect bad stuff from the Republican Party and muddle the campaign rhetoric via a "bothsides" schtick.
     
  19. Curious layman Registered Member

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    Can see him being as abit of a Ray Mears type character myself, or the bush tucker man, at one with nature and all that (or maybe that's Buddha).

    He'd probably realise that most of our future problems will be because of the environment if we continue to fuck it up, and that most of the solutions to our problems will come from the environment if we don't. So that should be the first priority.

    The Republicans are more likely to be Christians, but there hardly Christian are they, I really can't see Jesus taking sides with Trump.

    The Democrats are more likely, but he'd lose his fan base, especially when Fox news turns on him, calling him a Muslim and stuff.
     

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