Was God (in the Bible) a man ?

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  1. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Saved from what?
    Eternal punishment perhaps?
    You can't have experience with an invisible man that lives outside of space and time.
     
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  3. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    The Bible is a collection of writings by the ancestors of the Jews and were greatly influenced by the local religions (ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Canaanites etc.)
    Early Christians were Jews who wanted to convert Gentiles, but had to get rid of some of the old Jewish customs in order to make their ideas more acceptable.
    They also expected that their hero, Jesus, would return in their lifetimes with his army of angels to free them from Roman tyranny.
    Ironically, they managed within a few hundred years, to convert the Romans and form the Catholic Church.
    Morals do not originate with Religion. People invent religions and decide which morals to include, then claim they came from God or gods.
    The morals evolve by the needs of individuals and groups of individuals.
    I don't want you to steal my stuff or harm my children. Such common sense "morals" are universal.
    So if you agree to be nice to me, I will (reluctantly) be nice to you.
    Some "morals", such as found in Deuteronomy for example, were invented by leaders in order to control the masses.
    Very few of the 613 commandments are obeyed.
    Unfortunately, we live in a society that has developed morals that clash with "traditional" morals.
    The churches, as everyone knows, are slow to respond to rapid changes in society.
    If the don't change, they will not survive.
    Just look at the church attendance statistics.
     
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  5. river Valued Senior Member

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    No

    God is an Archon .
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Your on dicey ground there

    Effect before cause

    Except even worse effect before no cause

    Damn dropped my medication and the cat ate it

    Good luck pussy it wasn't meant for you

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  8. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I won't be convinced until I see a yellow feathered bird paddling in the pond

    Even then I'd be tempted to take it home to roast to find out what it tastes like

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  9. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Yes

    I won't go into graphic details

    Enough to say your drinking a nice wine

    Your tapped on the shoulder

    You hear the words

    Breaks over back on your head

    My card game was Divorced Singles

    Much more realistic

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  10. joepistole Deacon Blues Valued Senior Member

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    ...or could it be man projecting himself onto the godhead?
     
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  11. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    Surely, "You're" not using the word "Your" correctly.
     
  12. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Curses you have discovered my dyslexia

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  13. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    So you know everything. Do you know what were the morality before the 10 commandments ?
    Do you know the morality among the Jungle people and how large is a jungle society ?
    The present morals of our present society is it better or worse in the last 150 years , you must know we have better literature or writing then the people 3500 years ago
    Moral codes are a necessity that is why they written . The powerful would not yield to the needy nor would they control their desires. Do you think man that have workers or slave would give one day to rest in one week ? Think where does that come ?
     
  14. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Of course a sense of right and wrong morals existed before the commandments

    Wasn't there more than 10 in other religions?

    Commandments were / are a codified form which attempt to hold each person to a set standard

    When you hear someone say

    "What he did is not illegal but it is immoral"

    they are attempting to impose their views (frequently of a religious bent)

    onto the subject of their attention

    Moral codes are much more flexible in that they frequently pertain to a individuals view of the world

    I prefer written LAWS which attempt to apply equally to everybody

    The bible?

    But more a case of habit or tradition than a moral imperative

    Governed by the periodic travel of the Earth around the Sun

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  15. Ted Grant II Registered Senior Member

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    I don't have a problem with moral codes, provided there is a maintenance programme.
    They are a bit like roads and state laws.

    Roads need to be maintained (to fix faults) and improved (to allow for new circumstances).
    As you know, the main business of government is to create, amend and enforce laws.
    Sometimes, criminals are burned. At other times they are imprisoned.
    Speed limits vary, even in the same place, as new information is gained.
    At one time, gay men were locked up. Now they can get married !
    If accidents regularly occur at a particular road junction, perhaps traffic lights will help.
    If jobs are scarce, perhaps border controls should be tightened.

    At the end of the Bible it says...

    I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this scroll: If anyone adds anything to them, God will add to that person the plagues described in this scroll.
    And if anyone takes words away from this scroll of prophecy, God will take away from that person any share in the tree of life and in the Holy City, which are described in this scroll.
    He who testifies to these things says, “Yes, I am coming soon.” Amen.
    Come, Lord Jesus.
    The grace of the Lord Jesus be with God’s people. Amen.

    As you can see, amendments are not allowed.
    No sensible government would ban amendments to rules.

    Well, he didn't come soon.
    Is that such a bad thing?
     

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