Moderator note: This thread was split from another one, in which the material that appears in the first 40 or so posts below was off topic. The original thread is here: Relationship of agnosticism to theist/atheism I'm not sure who you are thinking of. Which poster here has supported Intelligent Design? My own view on ID is that it is just regular old biblical creationism trying to masquerade as science. As it happens, my view was shared by a court of law that was asked to decide that issue in the US in 2005 (see Kitzmiller vs Dover Area School District). But quite apart from that, there's no good evidence for ID. On the mathematical universe thing, I think you'll probably find that many people on this forum will accept that the universe shows signs of "mathematical order". If it did not, we'd have a lot of trouble explaining why mathematical models of the universe work so darn well. I don't know why you add the word "abstract". All mathematics is abstract, isn't it? I think you might have be confusing opposition to your Tegmarkian religion with opposition to the idea that maths is useful for describing certain aspects of our universe. Hopefully, I've helped to de-confuse you on this matter. Let me know if you have further questions. Sarkus, of course, might also want to respond, since you addressed him.