We never went to the moon.

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  1. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Fat demands people do what he tells them to do but refuses the quid pro quo. That should be a bannable offense.
     
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  3. Michael 345 Next mythical choc bunnies for mystic who died Valued Senior Member

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    Oh such low hanging fruit to good to pass up

    Can someone else please ask about the time line for the waving flags?

    Pleeeeaaaaasssseeee

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  5. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    You claimed that the flagpole didn't move. It did.

    ANYBODY can take screen grabs before and during and see that it clearly does move. You then lied, saying the video showing this was doctored. It was not and you refused to show how you arrived at this lie.

    You make garbage claims about the people trotting by flags, but fail to put up an example. When a perfect example was put up -



    Your response to this is more garbage. You claim it is in the wrong orientation!! Quite clearly a wind creating object passes close by some fabric and it doesn't do what you claimed!

    YOU LOSE.

    More:

    Videos presented to you quite clearly show that Jarrah White did an experiment with a flag that a) billowed when he ran past it b) didn't move until he was completely level with it.

    Your response was pathetic. Amazingly, you claimed that a flag angled away at 45 degrees was more likely to move than one straight ahead. That is just completely stupid.
     
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  7. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Why do the lens flares move? The camera itself doesn't move, neither does the Sun, the flares should be stationary. THIS has you checkmated!

    We await your garbage answer or watch you avoid this.

    The rocks prove beyond any doubt that we landed on the Moon, the LROC/LRRR/video/3rd party evidence/ALSEP data close the case. You have a 1 second clip of a miniscule flag movement! The rest of your evidence, which you cowardly avoid listing point by point, has been debunked for decades! You never respond to these debunks with a reasonable counter point, always garbage.

    YOU LOSE.
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Sorry, I don't see how this follows from anything I said about the story.
     
  9. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    It was a follow-on statement.
     
  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Still not sure I follow. you mean a moon base itself is implausible? Well, that's a 'grant the premise' thing.
    No, what I had difficulty with was how massively, grossly, egregiously they underestimated both the severity of multiple near-successes by one person to extinct the entire population of the colony - and the ease with which it was nearly managed.

    1] The entire atmo is dependent on 4 crawlers, with no apparent backup for the equipment OR the ore, OR the air. On a normal day, if a crawler got a flat tire, how long it would be before residents starting dying?
    2] Apparently, the air production system is part of the colony air. A breakdown in the air processing plant instantly resulted in the near death of every single citizen in the colony.
    These are ridiculously implausible constraints imposed for the sake of the plot.
     
  11. Gawdzilla Sama Valued Senior Member

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    Did you read a different book than I did?
     
  12. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    That's funny. I don't see any movment of the pole.


    (2:35 time mark)

    Here's a discussion I had with the guy who made the video I think you're referring to (please link to what you're referring to).
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-apollo-15-flag.438617/page-4#post-1065730872

    In the video I posted above, there's no movement of the pole. If there's another video which has movement that the original doesn't have, one of them is doctored.
    He didn't duplicate the exact conditions which made the flag move (see above video). Here's where I talked about this with the guy who made the video.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-apollo-15-flag.438617/page-2#post-1065717428

    He's good at making videos but he refuses to make one that duplicates the exact conditions beccause it will show that air made the flag move. He made that video to obfuscate the issue.


    You're misrepresenting what happens in the video to mislead the viewers. Here's the issue.

    Start watching here at the 6:00 time mark.


    It continues here.



    Jarrah says that the astronaut might have been close enough to touch the flag but it's irrelevant because, when the footage is shown in slow-motion, it's clear that the flag had started to move before the astronaut got close enough to touch it.

    Please link to what you're referring to. I don't see any lense flare in the video. Maybe my memory is faulty but I want to see what you're referring to. I just see what seem to be specs on the camera lens.


    Just asserting something in an authoritative patronizing tone doesn't make it true.

    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-37#post-3495373
    Videos are fakable so they aren't proof of anything.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc2kijG8YdY

    Go into some detail about this third party evidence. Third parties can collaborate and lie too.

    I don't see how this couldn't have been faked.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_Lunar_Surface_Experiments_Package
     
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    I don't see how you can believe these conspiracies...
     
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  17. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    Nothing funny at all, just you playing dumb, being dumb or just plain dishonest. I quite clearly said the following:

    ANYBODY can take screen grabs before and during and see that it clearly does move.

    Which part of that confused you. That was what the betamax101 video did, it took screen grabs, mainly because the movement is so slight it is impossible to see directly! Please upload the screen grabs you took to verify that it didn't move. Oh, that's right, you didn't do that at all did you, even though ANYBODY can do it.



    More bullshit from you. You ask me to link to something then make the exact claim again. You total joke. PROVE he doctored his video, where he took SCREEM GRABS and put them side by side to show this movement. I did it and his video is most certainly not doctored, you are just scared to be honest, or you like lying.

    Stop linking to off forum posts! This is where you claim you trotted by a flag and saw it move. Liar. You wouldn't be able to see it move if you were running towards it. He made a video that you just ignored, showing an object going past fabric and not doing what you claimed. Your garbage response doesn't cut it.

    Prove it! Jarrah White failed miserably, his billowed clearly and it moved only when he was level with it. YOU LOSE!

    No liar, he made it to kick your ass and succeeded. You cannot explain it. YOU LOSE

    Spam claim. What viewers? Everyone viewing this thinks you are a comedian.

    A lie. He used graphic alignment to PROVE that he definitely would have touched it. This accounts for the swaying of the flag after he passes it.

    THAT is the irrelevant bit. what happens before he brushes it with his arm is not connected to him brushing it with his arm. You are either dumb, playing dumb or lying. The tiny movement before he brushes it is explained by either:

    Kicked regolith striking the pole. Static discharge in a vacuum. The pole settling into its support. Ground vibration. Camera anomaly.

    None of those are impediments to him subsequently hitting it with his elbow.

    More lies. You had this issue raised on the Political forum and it is on the blog entry here that you have had given to you dozens of times!!

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/apollo-15-flag.html

    Sadly the pictures uploaded to show this by screen grabs have expired on the image upload sites. But ANYBODY can repeat it.

    Yeah, your memory is faulty! Must I do it for you?!

    Garbage statement, Show how they faked the video of them digging a trench. Explain in detail.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_evidence_for_Apollo_Moon_landings

    Prove they lied, otherwise the evidence stands.

    What analysis have you done on the data, the source, location and how it was transmitted. What analysis have you done on the actual experiment and the way it gathers that data?

    NONE! You are one pathetic "truth seeker".
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    If what I wrote doesn't sound familiar then I guess so.
     
  19. FatFreddy Registered Senior Member

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    I put it on full screen and used the mouse to place the arrow next to the pole and the pole did not move at all in relation to the arrow. I can't identify any movement.

    Betamax is a known sophist.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-33#post-1068295062

    This guy (Descartes) takes Betamax apart.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...m-of-air-and-the-apollo-15-flag.438617/page-7


    This is pretty lame. He didn't duplicate the exact condisions.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-apollo-15-flag.438617/page-2#post-1065717428


    Anyone who watches the footage can see that you're misrepresenting what happened.


    (6:00 minute mark)


    This has all been gone over before. Start reading here.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-6#post-3333293

    The flag movement is only consistent with the air explanation. The movement would have been noticably different in the other scenarios.


    This link does not go to what you're discussing anymore.


    You should be able to find a link to it.


    Easy. They did it in a studio and they used slow-motion to simulate lunar gravity.


    There's nothing in that Wikipedia page that can't be explained by either fakery, or lies. If you think that's proof, you're simply not mentally equipped to deal with this topic.


    The fact that it was possible to fake all of that means it can't be used as proof. If you sincerly believe what you're saying, you're simply not mentally equipped to deal with this issue.


    The proof that the missions were faked is crushing.
    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...andings-ever-happened.512081/#post-1067871432

    Once people have seen it, there's really nothing you can do to make them think the missions were real.


    You people seem to think that the American media can be trusted so that pretty much destroys your credibility.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-39#post-3495970

    You destroyed your credibility a long time ago by agreeing with Jay Windley's analysis of the dust-free sand issue.
    http://www.sciforums.com/threads/we-never-went-to-the-moon.145207/page-35#post-3495109


    You people will never go away no matter how lame your arguments are.



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    I'm getting a little burned out on continuously thwarting your attempts to bury the parts of the debate where you're shown to be wrong. I think next time I'm going to let you bury them for a while anyway; I think most viewers won't just look at the last two or three pages.
     
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    "I'm getting a little burned out on continuously thwarting your attempts to bury the parts of the debate where you're shown to be wrong. I think next time I'm going to let you bury them for a while anyway; I think most viewers won't just look at the last two or three pages." Are you speaking to David C. or yourself there?
     
  21. David C The print that nails this troofer Registered Senior Member

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    You liar. You didn't do that all. I explained in quite simple idiot proof sentences what to do. The fact you didn't do it shows your blatant dishonesty!

    Take a screen print before and during, just like the video showing the movement. It moves. YOU LOSE

    Liar,no he is not. Your opinion on a man who systematically kicks your ignorant butt, is irrelevant.

    YOU are a known spammer who lies, evades and cowardly runs away.

    Nope. He got owned. Absolutely taken to pieces. I lurk at that forum and every time that imbecile Descartes posts he is blown away. Just like you.

    A bit difficult, the Apollo footage was on the Moon in a vacuum.

    Translation: My spam claim is shown to be bullshit by a simple video, so I will give garbage answers because I am a coward.

    The video shows an object going past fabric and it doesn't do what you claimed! Put up your trotting by a cloth video. Close the case. Liar.

    Your spam by numbers response. Bullshit. Nobody agrees with your stupid claims and your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the blindingly obvious, is more evidence of your dishonesty.

    All gone before hundreds of times. Each one replete with your ignorant garbage answers.

    Nope. All the other explanations are 100 times more plausible than the impossible and bullshit wall of air!! You have no credibility. You are a known spammer who is incapable of logic or reason.

    You are very good at playing the moron. Re-speeding up the video to make the soil behave correctly make a the astronauts look ridiculous.

    Try again you dishonest joke.

    Listen to this troofer arm waving away dozens of independent pieces of evidence. On their own each one proves the landings occurred. Prove each one was faked with solid evidence and full explanations. The evidence stands. YOU LOSE.

    Moronic circular logic. It was not possible to fake it all. Your conclusion is ignorant garbage.

    No it wasn't you weird spammer.

    Your idiotic spam all crushed and ignored by You-

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1

    You really are a quite despicable liar. I see nobody coming to that conclusion. Your pathetic claim was the the WORLD'S media would completely blanket evidence of a hoax. THAT was what was called in to question!

    My god how many more times you ridiculous human being. My credibility is just fine. YOUR opinion is based on ignorance. You judging my credibility means the opposite.

    You are the lunatic who's being doing the same thing for over a decade. I'm simply someone who detests what you do and refuses to let you get away with making stupid claims.

    None of this debate shows me to be wrong. You're not thwarting me, you are cowardly evading. I don't care how long you take to recharge your spamming batteries. I'll be right here taking your bullshit apart. Get a life.
     
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    I'd better repost my last response to thwart your spamming

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/apollo-15-flag.html?m=1

    Perfect blog name if you ask me!



    "You liar. You didn't do that all. I explained in quite simple idiot proof sentences what to do. The fact you didn't do it shows your blatant dishonesty!

    Take a screen print before and during, just like the video showing the movement. It moves. YOU LOSE



    Liar,no he is not. Your opinion on a man who systematically kicks your ignorant butt, is irrelevant.

    YOU are a known spammer who lies, evades and cowardly runs away.



    Nope. He got owned. Absolutely taken to pieces. I lurk at that forum and every time that imbecile Descartes posts he is blown away. Just like you.



    A bit difficult, the Apollo footage was on the Moon in a vacuum.

    Translation: My spam claim is shown to be bullshit by a simple video, so I will give garbage answers because I am a coward.

    The video shows an object going past fabric and it doesn't do what you claimed! Put up your trotting by a cloth video. Close the case. Liar.



    Your spam by numbers response. Bullshit. Nobody agrees with your stupid claims and your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the blindingly obvious, is more evidence of your dishonesty.



    All gone before hundreds of times. Each one replete with your ignorant garbage answers.



    Nope. All the other explanations are 100 times more plausible than the impossible and bullshit wall of air!! You have no credibility. You are a known spammer who is incapable of logic or reason.



    You are very good at playing the moron. Re-speeding up the video to make the soil behave correctly make a the astronauts look ridiculous.

    Try again you dishonest joke.



    Listen to this troofer arm waving away dozens of independent pieces of evidence. On their own each one proves the landings occurred. Prove each one was faked with solid evidence and full explanations. The evidence stands. YOU LOSE.



    Moronic circular logic. It was not possible to fake it all. Your conclusion is ignorant garbage.



    No it wasn't you weird spammer.

    Your idiotic spam all crushed and ignored by You-

    http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/?m=1



    You really are a quite despicable liar. I see nobody coming to that conclusion. Your pathetic claim was the the WORLD'S media would completely blanket evidence of a hoax. THAT was what was called in to question!



    My god how many more times you ridiculous human being. My credibility is just fine. YOUR opinion is based on ignorance. You judging my credibility means the opposite.



    You are the lunatic who's being doing the same thing for over a decade. I'm simply someone who detests what you do and refuses to let you get away with making stupid claims.



    None of this debate shows me to be wrong. You're not thwarting me, you are cowardly evading. I don't care how long you take to recharge your spamming batteries. I'll be right here taking your bullshit apart. Get a life
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