# We never went to the moon.

Discussion in 'Conspiracies' started by Ryndanangnysen, Mar 4, 2015.

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1. ### ErroristBannedBanned

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I have absolutely no idea what this thread is about. Also, long time no see, Gawdzilla Sama. Remember me from atheistforums.org & atheistforums.com? Yep, I'm ƵenKlassen alright.

3. ### DaveC426913Valued Senior Member

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sideshowbob and Michael 345 like this.

5. ### Michael 345Home 2 days still jet lag sleepyValued Senior Member

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I thought I caught a glimpse of the monolith full of stars

7. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member

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Oh, good. How long until you get banned from here, make a dozen socks, get them banned, and complain you're not being treated fairly?

8. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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Hey FF - there's a whole new slew of cranks to ally yourself with! The launch of the Falcon 9 Heavy has caused a resurgence of flat-earthers who don't believe in space travel either. And they have some big famous names!

Kyrie Irving (NBA superstar) doesn't believe that the launch happened.

Delano Edwards (musician) posted a video entitled “FLAT EARTH PROOF (ELON MUSK SPACEX FALCON HEAVY WAS FAKE)!!!!” Since he has a video, he must be right. In his video he asks “Where the f*ck the stars at?” Can't argue with that.

The Flat Earth society tweeted this - "People who believe that the Earth is a globe because 'they saw a car in space on the Internet' must be the new incarnation of 'It's true, I saw it on TV!' It's a poor argument. Why would we believe any privately held company to report the truth?"

It's fake because "images of Musk’s Tesla Roadster from space didn’t show any other satellites or the International Space Station (ISS)." It's also fake because "Really cool how the @Tesla roadster has an oval steering wheel. Another amazing innovation from 'genius' @elonmusk. One can only imagine what shape the wheels are!”

This should keep you in material for another ten years.

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9. ### Michael 345Home 2 days still jet lag sleepyValued Senior Member

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That's cruel, egging on the special one

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11. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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EXCOMMUNICATE HIM! Next thing you know, he'll start in with science and logic - and all you true believers have no use for that sort of tripe.

12. ### Michael 345Home 2 days still jet lag sleepyValued Senior Member

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Somebody find out where he got a knock on his head and give him another tap

Might help shake out the rest of his dumb ideas

13. ### FatFreddyRegistered Senior Member

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If you people were to try to debate Jarrah White on neutral ground, he'd eat you for lunch. He was debating Jay Windley* and the moderator started deleting his posts when he started winning too decisively.

MoonFaker: The Punch Heard All Around The World. PART 3

(1:52 time mark)

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14. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member

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Sibrel was a troll looking for notoriety. He came off looking like an ass.

15. ### David CThe print that nails this trooferRegistered Senior Member

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I read that entire thread. He got asked really difficult questions that were way out of his depth. He resorted to calling names. He is a liar and so are you.

If that total nobody, who you disturbingly hero worship, ever popped his dumb head over the parapet, he would have to start answering all the tough stuff he avoids. Just like you do!

I love the way you laud him for being the biggest hoax claimer on the internet. A big badge of stupid that you can't see.

16. ### sideshowbobSorry, wrong number.Valued Senior Member

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Never heard of him. Why would you think anybody would know who he is?

I Googled him. He turns out to be an idiot. Do you think every idiot on the Internet is famous?

17. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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I didn't either so I looked him up. From Wikipedia:

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Jarrah White (April 14, 1980–) is an Australian conspiracy theorist known mostly for his long-running series of YouTube videos claiming that the Moon landings were hoaxed. In addition to the MoonFakervideos, he also maintains a website with the same name and his beliefs about the hoax have led him to a few confrontations with notable skeptics on and off the Internet. He likes to style himself "Grandson of the Apollo Moon Hoax Theory".

Beliefs and methods
Most of White's "evidence" appears to be borrowed from earlier conspiracy theorists, notably Ralph René, with whom White claims to have become friends prior to René's death. White has reproduced many of René's calculations and theories in his own videos, perpetuating basic errors attributable to René's lack of understanding of basic mathematical and scientific concepts.

Credentials and background[
According to the biography on White's website, he "holds Certificate III & IV with distinctions in Screen (a Film & TV course) at Sydney Institute of TAFE", which would explain why his videos have better production values than the average webcam-shot YouTube dreck. He also claims to be studying for a BSc in astrophysics.

He has been posting YouTube videos in his "Moonfaker" series since 2007, but the earliest record of his Apollo obsession on the world wide web dates back to 2003, when he was an active member (later banned) of The Technodrome,[1] a discussion board dedicated to the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

White accepts donations via his Moonfaker website[2]. He also runs a "Paypal fundraise"[sic] entitled Fly Jarrah to the Moon[3], in which he "encourages propagandists and everyone who believes in Apollo to raise $500,000 to pay for himself and an accompanying believer to take this proposed tourist flight". White has also apparently taken over the sales side of the late Ralph René's website. For example, a 12-page pamphlet explaining that pi is equal to 3.146264[4] is available for$14 by emailing Jarrah White.

Moonfaker.com
White presents a long list of Frequently Asked Questions[5] on his website that are intended to supplement his videos; however these suggest either a basic lack of knowledge about space flight and celestial observations or a series of irrelevant red herrings.

A few examples follow:

Q: Weren’t there independent parties tracking Apollo all the way to the moon and back? A: No. There are some known Ham radio operators who attest to having picked up signals from Apollo (Paul Wilson, Richard Knadle, Larry Baysinger, Sven Grahn), but none of them can attest to having tracked these probes all the way to the moon and back. Grahn for example only testifies to having picked up signals from Apollo 17 when it was in earth orbit, when it was on the moon and in lunar orbit. He openly admits to not tracking it the whole way there and back.
Here, Jarrah decides to address a very specific aspect of a claim made, not by NASA, but by someone on the internet. Faced with the incontrovertible fact that radio operators unconnected to NASA did pick up Apollo signals at various points during the mission, Jarrah instead frames the issue as being about independent observers[6] tracking Apollo all the way to the moon. This, however, is a red herring as it would be impossible for any one individual to track the Apollo craft all the way from the Earth to the moon, something which Jarrah, oddly enough mentions himself. The journey took approximately three days, during which time the moon would be below the horizon for great lengths of time for an observer in any given location on Earth. Hence the need for the Deep Space Network

(DSN) and Manned Space Flight Network

(MSFN) of receiving stations around the world to maintain constant contact.

To illustrate the problem, imagine that Carl has driven his car from point X to point Z. Due to a hill obscuring the view at point Y along the route, however, Alice has only seen Carl somewhere between X and Y, while Bob has seen Carl only between Y and Z. Jarrah is essentially claiming that because neither Alice nor Bob have seen Carl driving the entire X to Z distance we should believe that Carl didn't drive at all, and probably doesn't have either a car or a driver's licence.

Not only is Jarrah constructing a red herring, but by framing the "Q" in this very specific way, he's setting up a straw man and a false dilemma for his "A": The intermittent signals picked up at various points along the moon journey confirm NASA's own tracking, and the demand for a complete independent tracking service is simply irrelevant and unreasonable. A series of point observations, even if intermittent, work just fine, Jarrah's false dilemma of either an independent observer tracking Apollo all the way, or "NASA must/could have faked it", notwithstanding.

Q: What is the most compelling evidence that the moon missions were faked? A: First, as demonstrated by James Van Allen’s own findings, the radiation belts that surround earth would have been lethal to astronauts.
This is categorically untrue, as attested to by Dr Van Allen himself: "The recent Fox TV show, which I saw, is an ingenious and entertaining assemblage of nonsense. The claim that radiation exposure during the Apollo missions would have been fatal to the astronauts is only one example of such nonsense."
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18. ### FatFreddyRegistered Senior Member

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The thread no longer exists. I read it and I remember no name-calling. It's not his style. Try to find an example of his name-calling. I'll bet you can't.
Tell us why the moderator deleted his posts.

People can watch his videos and decide for themselves whether he is credible.

If anyone is to be criticized, it's Jay Windley.
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-ever-happened.512081/page-29#post-1068254989

Look how he refused to answer a legitimate question here.

19. ### FatFreddyRegistered Senior Member

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Here's something on Van Allen.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1147.0

Back to Jay Windley. Look how he tried to obfuscate this clear anomaly.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1145.0

Look how he dealt with the Chinese spacewalk.
http://www.apollohoax.net/forum/index.php?topic=1149.0

20. ### David CThe print that nails this trooferRegistered Senior Member

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And so what? He said that space radiation was not an impediment for short term missions. Any bullshit speculation you have to dispute this can be discarded.

I looked. You got your butt kicked.

I looked. You haven't proven anything. It takes a monumentally delusion fool to think the debris is a bubble. It takes a total uneducated goon to not see how fabric behaves in water and how that is clearly impossible for a flag to move like that

You are a hopeless case and seemingly unable to get a life.

21. ### David CThe print that nails this trooferRegistered Senior Member

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The name calling was what was deleted.

Name calling.

He is a moron who makes videos that show this. He lies and make laughable errors. I can see why he is your hero!

22. ### billvonValued Senior Member

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From the article - "He warned future space travelers they would have to race through these two zones on their way to outer planets."

Which is why the Apollo astronauts did in fact "race" through these two zones. From Popular Science - "By February of 1964, NASA was confident that Apollo crews would be passing through the belts fast enough that the spacecraft’s skin and all the instrumentation lining the walls would be enough protection." And in fact it was; that was proven by the dosimeters the astronauts wore. They were still exposed to radiation, of course - enough that they were seeing periodic flashes in their eyes as gamma radiation caused light emissions within their eyeballs. But it was of a survivable level.

Looks like you have, once again, demonstrated that Apollo was not a hoax with your own material.

23. ### Gawdzilla SamaValued Senior Member

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The shuttle astronauts saw the green flashes, as do the ISS personnel. They stay up there a long time.