Were Adam & Eve The First Ever Humans?

Jan Ardena said:
I have shown that they are not separate accounts of one incident, by showing that the bible states that God created mankind on the sixth day.
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That is compatible with both accounts but they have to be separate accounts because the order of creation of animals and humans is different. It has also been pointed out that the writing styles are different.
Jan Ardena said:
Are you kidding me?
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Are YOU kidding ME? Nothing you have said suggests anything about different kinds of humans.
Cain is very relevant, because it shows that the bible is stating there were existing civilisations at the time God created Adam.
That is huge.
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It says nothing of the kind. You're just making that up in an attempt to reconcile the Cain and Abel story with the Adam and Eve story.
Where does it state Adam was mankind?
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It uses the word "adam" for mankind.
So I think people use the term “talking snake” , to try and show an absurdity, not because they think the beguiled was a talking snake.
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It's an obviously fuctitious entity.
 
Jan Ardena said:
There is nothing in the Bible to suggest that there has ever been different types of humans.
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God creates the human race on the sixth day of creation. Both male and female.
God fashions one man out of dust.
God takes a rib from man and fashions a woman.

Are you kidding me?
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?? Are you claiming that there are dust-type humans, rib-type humans and a third kind of human that is neither? (this should be good)
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
I just wanted the population # after 6,000 years if we started with only two people. I'm shit at math but suspect it would be lower than the current 7.7 billion.
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It's hard to judge. Birth rates in early last century(Just after WW2, both my parents had 9 siblings(UK)) was high and life expectancy was too. In the middle ages people lived 40 yrs max? Still time for 10 but dad/mom won't be around long. Just my understanding history, they could all be lying to us.
 
gmilam said:
OK - so Paul based his conclusions on faulty premises. Therefore the majority of the New testament is based on BS.

I have no problems with that. Then again, I am an atheist and don't believe any of it.
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No, don't take the bait, ignore pointlessness and enjoy philosophy is my advice.
 
Gawdzilla Sama said:
I just wanted the population # after 6,000 years if we started with only two people. I'm shit at math but suspect it would be lower than the current 7.7 billion.
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If every couple has 3 kids at age 25, and all the kids survive, then in 6000 years we'd have a population of 2,436,917,967,131,160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 people. That's - let's see - 2.4 million trillion trillion trillion people. So that's not the problem.
 
sideshowbob said:
Then how are they a "different type of human"? And how does that in any way support your claim that Adam wasn't adam?
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The Adam was fashioned by God, personally.
That makes him a different type of human from the sixth day created mankind.

It was the duty of the sixth day creation to be fruitful, multiply, and REplenish the earth.
Adam was created initially, to tend to the garden that God made specially for this human.

God felt sorry for Adam, and decided to make a female counterpart to quell the loneliness. God never once instructed them to be fruitful, multiply, and REplenish the earth.

Jan.
 
billvon said:
If every couple has 3 kids at age 25, and all the kids survive, then in 6000 years we'd have a population of 2,436,917,967,131,160,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 people. That's - let's see - 2.4 million trillion trillion trillion people. So that's not the problem.
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Wow. How did you figure that out? I can't even get past the first few generations. Let's say Adam and Eve had 3 kids at age 25. Now we have to assume one kid is male and two are female, or, two kids are male and one is female, or some other combination. So after another 25 years the approximately 3/2=1.5 female offspring have given birth to 3 more kids each, plus Adam and Eve who are now 50 years old, so there are what, maybe (1.5*3)+2+3=9.5 people on average? Then after another 25 years the approximately (1.5*3)/2=2.25 females have given birth to 3 more kids each, plus Adam and Eve who are now 75 years old, plus their kids who are now 50 years old, so there are what, maybe (2.5*3)+2+3+4.5=17 people on average? Am I doing this right?

Then, don't you have to also consider what age the people die?
 
Jan Ardena said:
There aren’t two accounts.
There is one account of the creation of mankind, and another account of an individual human specifically created by God , then later on, a woman is created (from his body), to quell the loneliness of the man. At no point were they instructed to go forth and multiply, like the rest of mankind were.
Also, it explains where Cain got a wife. No longer do we have to use a sinful act to explain that.

Isn’t that good?

Jan.
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So in the Book of Genesis, if I am correct, mankind was created on the sixth day of the creation of the universe in Gods image. In the story of Adam and Eve, if I am correct, Adam the individual was created and then later Eve from his body.

That sounds good to me and makes sense. Thanks.
 
Jan Ardena said:
The Adam was fashioned by God, personally.
That makes him a different type of human from the sixth day created mankind.
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Interesting. Different races perhaps? God's chosen people, the Jews.
God felt sorry for Adam, and decided to make a female counterpart to quell the loneliness. God never once instructed them to be fruitful, multiply, and REplenish the earth.
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Strange. Is Satan evil?
 
Neddy Bate said:
Wow. How did you figure that out? I can't even get past the first few generations.
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Excel. I assumed:
240 generations
For every generation, each couple (population / 2) has 3 kids and that's it. So the population of the next generation is (pop/2)*3.

It is, of course, very simplistic, but should be grossly accurate.
Let's say Adam and Eve had 3 kids at age 25. Now we have to assume one kid is male and two are female, or, two kids are male and one is female, or some other combination. So after another 25 years the approximately 3/2=1.5 female offspring have given birth to 3 more kids each, plus Adam and Eve who are now 50 years old, so there are what, maybe (1.5*3)+2+3=9.5 people on average? Then after another 25 years the approximately (1.5*3)/2=2.25 females have given birth to 3 more kids each, plus Adam and Eve who are now 75 years old, plus their kids who are now 50 years old, so there are what, maybe (2.5*3)+2+3+4.5=17 people on average? Am I doing this right?
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That's about right. For the first 10 generations (250 years) I got a breeding population of 2, 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 23, 34, 51, 77 etc. For total population you'd get 2,5,10,14,21,32,48,72,108,162.
Then, don't you have to also consider what age the people die?
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Not really; not for purposes of seeing how fast the population grows. To get an accurate count at any specific time you would - but that wouldn't change the growth rate.
 
billvon said:
Excel. I assumed:
240 generations
For every generation, each couple (population / 2) has 3 kids and that's it. So the population of the next generation is (pop/2)*3.

It is, of course, very simplistic, but should be grossly accurate.

For the first 10 generations (250 years) I got a breeding population of 2, 3, 5, 7, 10, 15, 23, 34, 51, 77 etc. For total population you'd get 2,5,10,14,21,32,48,72,108,162.
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Okay, I get it now. Rounding off to zero decimal places I can replicate your 2,3,5,7,10,15,23,34,51,77, but for the total population I'm getting 2,5,10,16,26,42,64,99,150,227.

billvon said:
Not really; not for purposes of seeing how fast the population grows. To get an accurate count at any specific time you would - but that wouldn't change the growth rate.
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If we assume that only three generations are alive at any given time, the population after 10 generations would be 77+51+34=162. To find the current predicted population of the earth after 6000 years using this method, you would need to assume something similar. I thought that was what Gawdzilla was asking.
 
mmatt9876 said:
So in the Book of Genesis, if I am correct, mankind was created on the sixth day of the creation of the universe in Gods image. In the story of Adam and Eve, if I am correct, Adam the individual was created and then later Eve from his body.
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Two separate and conflicting accounts - if they are read for biological fact. That would be silly, of course (they are obviously stories).
 
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