What exactly is atheism?

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  1. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    Why would anyone do that?
    Do we get prizes?
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  3. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    The real question is ********? LMAO!


    There are only 2 possible states anybody can have about any idea they have come across.
    1. I have arrived at a conclusion that X is true/false in actuality.
    2. I have not arrived at a conclusion that X is true/false in actuality.

    It is better to use the terms conclusion and no conclusion when discussing matters because belief, knowledge, certainty is misinterpreted by people who do not know how they work.

    Theism and atheism are conclusions about the existence of God. An "ism" is a conclusion about something. Something that is not a conclusion about something is not an "ism". The "a" in atheism does not mean atheism is not an "ism". It is simply an "ism" of atheos. Theos is God while Atheos is no God. It is a conclusion that there is no God. Those who have not arrived at a conclusion are neither. That is all there is. The standard use of the term "atheism" does not include those who have not arrived at any conclusion.

    All claims that have been previously made about belief and knowledge are misinterpretations of those words. Thus, there is no reason to use them. Either a person has concluded something as true concluded something as false, or has not arrived at a conclusion.
     
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  5. swarm Registered Senior Member

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    There are only 2 possible states anybody can have about any idea they have come across.

    That its true or false, or, that its not.
     
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  7. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    So blue is Atheism. It's outside the set {belief} so it's \( \overline {belief}\)

    The belief in question here is theism, so it's atheism. Thankyou for your illustration showing us that you are wrong about your assertions.
     
  8. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    No you are wrong. The yellow represents belief. Everything an individual has concluded as true. Atheism falls within the yellow. The blue is everything a person has not arrived to a conclusion about. You cannot get anywhere in a discussion by intentionally misinterpreting my point. You either interpret my point correctly, and comment on it. Or get out.

    You are saying that atheism is anything that is not a conclusion that there is a God.
    I am saying that atheism is only a conclusion that there is no God.
     
  9. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    And we have told you before that you are wrong, are telling you now that you are wrong, and most likely will tell you again and again that you are wrong.
     
  10. phlogistician Banned Banned

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    I know how wrong you are. Meanwhile, you don't get to say who participates in this thread, and don't get to tell me to get out.

    It's about belief, atheism is not a belief, so atheists are blue. Your own diagram proves this. You have been repeatedly corrected, and to be honest, your flaccid claims are getting you nowhere. If you did manage to establish your flawed point of view, what then?

    You are on a road to nowhere. Your pursuit is misguided, and futile. Let it drop, and try and reclaim some credibility, eh?
     
  11. lixluke Refined Reinvention Valued Senior Member

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    Circular. I have already stated that blue includes those who have not arrived to a conclusion. Atheism is the conclusion that there is no God. Thus atheism cannot fall under blue. It falls under yelow which is a conclusion of something to be true. Atheism claims that it is true there is no God.
     
  12. Sarkus Hippomonstrosesquippedalo phobe Valued Senior Member

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    :wallbang:
     
  13. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    This is going nowhere slowly.
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  14. SkinWalker Archaeology / Anthropology Moderator

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    Agreed. Lixsluke, start over or let it be. I'm closing the thread with page 30. If anyone wishes to make a case to reopen, PM me.
     
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