What is Death?

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  1. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Banshee,
    Great!

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    Hoth,

    Life is not only work. But surely, work is an indicative of life. Life is complex to explain... The Universe is not dead (even though the temperature is very low). The Vacuum is plain of Life. It's why those particles are created there. Sorry... that's complex... it involves other dimensions than the four common ones...

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  3. Hoth Registered Senior Member

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    You do draw a distinction between alive and conscious, though? Some would say the universe is conscious.

    I do agree that the universe is about energy and motion and interaction, and that there's obviously something very complex and unique about that. I just prefer a more scientific definition for alive, which involves for example reproduction. (As far as I know the universe doesn't reproduce, although parts of it do I suppose.)

    So life is like string theory?

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  5. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    The Universe is Alive!

    Hoth,

    I don't like very much string theory. The Universe is complex but not complicated. The Universe is really simple. Everything that is basic is simple. See us. We have trillons of cells with hundreds of functions. But see how simple is a single cell!

    Yes, the Universe reproduce itself. Why do you think there are Black Holes!?!?

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    My theories are crazy but are very simple...

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  7. Chagur .Seeker. Registered Senior Member

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    TruthSeeker ...

    Re. "But see how simple is a single cell!"

    You are kidding ... Aren't you?

    I sure hope you are.

    Take care

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    Chagur,
    Why? A cell is pretty simple... only the names are difficult...

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    And you see that they all have their differences according to their function. Is pretty simple...

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  9. Cris In search of Immortality Valued Senior Member

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    TruthSeeker,

    I agree the concept of the cell as a building block for larger structures seems simple but the cell itself is one of the most complex arenas of scientific research. I think it was that that Chagur was referring to.

    Cris
     
  10. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Cris,

    Sure! Because there is a connection with life...
    Perhaps this is not the best example...
    Lets see...

    The Humble Constant. The General Relativity. Some simple but essential formulae:F=ma, E=mc2...
    Space-Time... Gravity was simple... but it seems much ore complex now...

    Well, if we are thinking about an essential theory, we should think about something essential. A singular thing, not a buch of things...

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  11. Hoth Registered Senior Member

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    If you're looking for something simple maybe you're looking in the wrong direction. When you look at things more closely they seem to get more complex rather than more simple. The world as we see it on the large scale is comparatively simple. Cells are much more complex. Then when you get down smaller, you run into things like string theory that are even more complex. There doesn't seem to be any simplicity in the building blocks, nor any progress in the direction of simplicity. The univeriverse is simple if you look at it from far enough away, more complex when you get closer.

    Essential theory: things are.

    If you ask "how?", you get into infinite complexity.
     
  12. TruthSeeker Fancy Virtual Reality Monkey Valued Senior Member

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    Hoth,

    I meant... that when you approach closely to the infinite big and infinite small you find patterns... the basic patterns of the Universe... which are pretty simple...

    Surely...!!

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  13. zurik Registered Member

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    Death, Energy, Electricity & Light

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    For what type of death do you refer?
    Death of mind, body, spirit, soul, memories, consciousness.
    For death is different in the eye of the beholder.
    Different to us all.

    Would it be the same for someone who passes from suicide, to the murdered, to the natural death or to the unnatural death.

    If we are born out of cells, and live a life fueled by energy is life itself energy. Is energy life. And if electricity is energy. And our movements and actions rely on that energy or electrical impulse, it can be said that in death, if we rely on the proven scientific fact that energy cannot be destroy or even end, we do not stop being but change into another form of energy. Like all other forms of energy.

    A thought...
    Our memories are stores as electrical impulses within cells.
    If we remember someone who is dead, are they truly dead, or is there a continuance of energy conducted within us that we percieve as a memory?

    Ones legacy continues to live-on inside the minds of others.

    We are a part of everything and everything is a part of us. Proven by Einstiens theory of energy and mass. E=Mc2
    An action must be followed by a reaction.
     
  14. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    Nothign last forever... even the universe will someday grow cold or big crunck and there will be nothing left. For there to be no death there must be no change, and if there is no change there is no time. If there is no time there is no thought!...
     
  15. pumpkinsaren'torange Registered Senior Member

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    you know me (everything in a nutshell approach) ...death is a series of chemical reactions; some firing and some misfiring.
     
  16. Microzoft Registered Senior Member

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    I am a precise person and don’t like too much guessing, so I’ll come back once I’m dead and tell you all about it. Anything short of that is just a speculation.

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  17. susan Registered Senior Member

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    so

    several options
    for death.....


    what if your consciousness becomes so unconscious that
    you never actually witness your own death because you
    become engulfed in an endless state of unconscious
    conscious living.
    so your death is as significant to you as feeding the dog
    or turning on the coffee maker. automatic becuase you
    are so consumed with the eternity you have chosen.
    hmmm.

    then there's escaping this life through a wormhole and being born
    into an alternate reality, the other side of this world, like a mirror
    image.
     
  18. spuriousmonkey Banned Banned

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    without death there cannot be life
     
  19. Nasor Valued Senior Member

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    Lots of people here make wildly speculative statements like 'life is just energy from the cosmos' or 'when you die your life energy is transformed into another state that transcends consciousness and takes you to the upper plain of blahblahblah.' The thing is, this is the 'general science' forum. It’s fine for you to have some nutty theory about 'life energy' and what happens to it when you die, but it's expected that you will be able to explain why you believe in a logical way. And I don't mean teleological half-logic, like 'all of life is a cosmic cycle of death and rebirth, so obviously blahblahblah.'
     
  20. ElectricFetus Sanity going, going, gone Valued Senior Member

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    the proper term is some nutts so HYPOTHESIS not Theory. things like that do not deserver a title like Theory... doing that besmerches the name of science.
     
  21. Microzoft Registered Senior Member

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    There’s lots of angles about death, everyone is free to choose.
    But what ever you choose, …Choose it wisely, it will only come ones!!

    Have hear this in …indina jones?

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  22. Hoth Registered Senior Member

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    Re: Death, Energy, Electricity & Light

    So if I murder you but promise to remember doing it, it's not murder.

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    I hate energy-mysticism. Energy has no meaning outside of form, energy is nothing more than a form of things (like matter), which is exactly why it's conserved.

    The energy from the chicken you ate last week is in your brain. Does this mean you have the mind of a chicken in your head? If you like someone, should you eat them when they die so that you conserve their energy in you?
     
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