What is Magnetism?

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  1. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    I think we've reached the point where you should request this thread be moved to either the "pseudoscience" or "alternative theories" section of this forum.
     
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  3. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    I let you talk, I keep silent. Was nice meeting you

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  5. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    Yeah move to alternative theories. That would fit perfectly!! Could you arrange that? Thanks! Much appreciated.
     
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  7. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    Might I suggest to you that ignoring criticism like that makes you worthless as a scientist?

    You'll have to contact a moderator for that.
     
  8. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    Yep, your final word is calling me worthless now. Thank you. You Im certain, you are most valuable. The world seems to work for you, I am glad. Dont go so harsh on everyone... they dont deserve it.
     
  9. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    No, I'm not. I'm at most calling into question how good a scientist you can be, if you're not open to criticism. Please don't twist my words.

    People also deserve to know when their ideas are incompatible with mainstream science, especially if they post them for discussion in the science-section on a science forum.
     
  10. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    I only ask for one single thing: Help me explain the toroidal symmetry of permanent magnet viewed through ferrocell, the opposed spins (static) and why its inverse symmetry to iron filings.
    Any help appreciated
     
  11. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    No, you came in here with a link to your website. A website that (unless you start explaining yourself) seems to be filled to the brim with unscientific conjectures and other misunderstandings. You pretty much admitted you can't do the maths related to Maxwell's equations, let alone the QED route. How can you expect anybody to explain the toroidal symmetry to you, if you are unable to comprehend even the most basic scientific theories about it?

    I already provided help, but you seem to have rejected it.
     
  12. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    The thread is called: What is magnetism. We see something below ferrocell, that no one can explain. Science asks questions, this is science, and our math doesnt work (yet). Explanation for this inverse symmetry are required. You know how much the understanding of electromagnetism brought humanity. So this component here has some explosive potential, once understood, and I wish you could open your eye and understand yourself, that here is the unknown to be explored which is great fun.
     
  13. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    How can an point-inverse symmetry be electromagnetically explained?
     
  14. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    The iron filings arrange 90° phase-related to the pattern of the toroidal field of magnet viewed through ferrocell using light. Why is that?
     
  15. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    Right, so you didn't ask for help only with "the toroidal symmetry of permanent magnet viewed through ferrocell", which was my point.

    Please show evidence that this has not been explained.

    Please show evidence that our math (which you pretty much admitted you can't do anyway) doesn't work (yet).

    And they are given through the Maxwell equations. All you have to do is derive them from there.

    Does not follow. That it brought much understanding in the past doesn't mean it will automatically bring much understanding in the future.

    I agree, except that I only want to explore reality, and learn true things. This involves critically looking at things, and understanding them fully before accepting them as truth.

    An open mind is a wonderful thing, but you need to make sure you mind isn't too open; it'll fall out.

    Just plug your specific situation into the Maxwell equations, and derive the symmetry from there.

    Just plug your specific situation into the Maxwell equations, and derive the pattern from there.
     
  16. Pascal Halbherr Registered Member

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    My mind wont fall out, enough with the many compliments. We dont fly space & time, nor do we understand conciousness, which is made from atoms... We dont know 96%, yet you say we know it all. Maxwell is godmode. No need to worry, who does not search, will not find. Have a nice evening.
     
  17. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    Then why are you talking about "divine symmetry" and "fractal mathematics" as if they have anything to do with magnetism in your slides?

    Don't "fly space & time"? What do you mean?

    Consciousness is not made from atoms.

    As I pointed out earlier, we do know about dark matter, so that's "only" 75%. And, you are talking about the energy content of the universe, not electromagnetism. We know pretty much 100% of that (classically).

    In classical electromagnetics, it pretty much is.

    But don't go looking for a problem where there is none. Don't make your mind fall out!

    You too!
     
  18. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    What is a ferrocell? I've had a quick look on the web but can't seem to find a good description.

    I think I can explain why iron filings align along the "field lines", but perhaps that is not what you are talking about.
     
  19. origin In a democracy you deserve the leaders you elect. Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently it is a thin layer of mineral oil and ferrofluid between 2 layers of glass illuminated by LEDs. The ferrofluid which is dark lines up with the magnetic field so as you move move the ferrocell through the field it will show different patterns. Sounds kinda fun....
     
  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Does that also include "ferromagnetism"?

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    and
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet#Two_models_for_magnets:_magnetic_poles_and_atomic_currents

    This woulld still seems to produce internal or closed circular (toroid) effect?
    (That is Just for my information)

    Pascal has already indicated that he is talking about a) in post 38. If I understand correctly he is talking about a
    Which produces a toroidal shape by the loops themselves. Is this what you are wanting to discuss, Pascal?
     
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  21. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Would you believe concessness
    • Is NOT made of atoms
    • Does NOT exist - as in it has no physicality
    • Is a PROCESS and
    • it the process which is not understood

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  22. NotEinstein Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. To the best of my knowledge, Maxwell's equations describe everything about magnetism (classically), which would include ferromagnetism.

    It appears your link has gone bad; that section doesn't exist anymore?

    What do you mean by "internal or closed circular (toroid) effect"?

    (All of which is perfectly described by Maxwell's equations, by the way.)
     
  23. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, I accept your word for it.
    Hmmmm, I tried it and it came up immediately.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnet#Two_models_for_magnets:_magnetic_poles_and_atomic_currents
    As I undersatnd it, taking the earth as an example, the earth's magnetic field surrounds (curves) from pole to pole. To me this presents as a toroidal magnetic field.

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    and
    https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Physics_equations/Magnetic_field_calculations
    Yes, after further reading, I see that magnetism always has an electric component to it.
    Thanks for bringing that to my attention.
     

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