What is reality ?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Mark Turner, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Presumably you meant to quote me rather than the loon.
    We can measure time. Similar to the way we can measure length.
    And I asked what properties do you think time should have, not to list what it doesn't.
    Am I to take that you do deny the existence of length (and therefore everything) then?
     
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  3. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    I never said a length wasn't a dimension , I said it is not a physical thing itself , its a word that we use to describe the measure . It exists as a word , you're very very subjective in your thinking .
     
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  5. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Yet you claim that time doesn't exist.
    The very same argument that you're using to deny the existence of time applies also to length.
    If you deny one then you automatically deny the other.
    It's a dimension. That's more than just a "word".
    And you like to make up bullshit like this.
     
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  7. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    If you were asking me , the properties of the measured is dependent to what we are measuring . A volume of water does not have the same properties as a rock although they have similar properties , namely atoms. I think nows a good time for me to mention the Higgs field hypothesis assuming the field fills all of space as an invisible entity with relative 0 permeability . It could be possible that this field is undetected but not undetectable . I suspect the assumed fields properties are two individual fields converged into one field . Perhaps a "hot" and "cold" field converged by thermodynamics to form a steady state field . There is many ways we can consider the space between stuff , minds focusing on an undetectable aether or dark energy. I'd describe space time as a finite 3D array , based on visual boundaries from a central observation .
     
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  8. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    You are being subjective and have closed ears to your own subjectiveness . Don't you understand words and words use ?

    Time and a length exist as a descriptive word that represents the measure .

    Why do you keep trying to change the correct content of the words , trying to make them mean something more than they mean?
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And you're back to posting complete bollocks.
    Just because you don't have a rational argument is no reason to resort to ad homs.
    Yes, but evidently you don't.
    No. Time and length exist as dimensions. In fact you yourself said that length is a dimension back in post #202.
    Possibly because you're the one that's actually doing that.

    This is, practically in its entirety, complete bollocks.
     
  10. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    Your counter argument is nonsense , you can't prove that time exists any other than the word itself . You have an illusionary superiority problem in that you always think you're correct and can never be at error.
    Can you provide a single shred of proof that time exists ?

    No you can't so why do you keep being subjective ?
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    And yet you haven't managed to provide any actual counter to that argument other than to attack me personally.
    Really?
    So you're claiming that my birth and my death both happened at the same "time"? Which also coincided with the Big Bang, the Earth forming AND the Sun expanding as it starts to die?
    And yet you're the one that never provides reasoned argument for his claims, insists on denigrating opponents as "subjective" and claims to understand relativity better than Einstein...
    I've given evidence.
    Aaand back to the ridiculous ad hom. Why do you persist in doing that rather than give a reasoned argument? (That was rhetorical, I know why you don't: because you can't).
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Could be yesterday or tomorrow. Depends on the time frame you want to use.
    No, that's where our knowledge of time begins . It's the inflationary period (expanding @ FTL) which is the great mystery.

    But IMO, inflation @ FTL was possible because the universe was expanding outward before any internal mathematical restrictions had become established by the expanding spacetime bubble.
     
  13. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Time does not create space. Space creates time......

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    I disagree with your use of the word space in reference to time. Space is Spatial, Time is Temporal and has nothing to do with space.
    The length you refer to is a spatial length, but time does not measure space (except for the "lightyear" unit), but "length of duration".

    Length of time depends on the persistent continuation of a chronology of related events in space and universally of the chronology of spacetime itself.
     
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  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    You really should read a post before you reply to the assumptions you've made about what it says.
    According to...?
    Then, like I said, you should actually read what I wrote instead of inventing strawmen.
    Good. Because I didn't say that.
    Nor did I say that.
    Yeah... no.

    Back onto ignore until you learn how to read.
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I disagree. IMO, Time is an emerging one dimensional result of change.

    Can you describe the 3 Dimensional properties of time?
     
  16. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    , maybe !

    Well , if we assume time is aging and anything that ages has 3 dimensional properties , we can consider time as being what changes in a system . We could look at time as the entropy of a system , the number of ways a system can change . To me the 3D properties of time is energy . The energy of a system constantly changing .
     
  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Your words.

    Time does not exist as a dimension, it exists (emerges) as a measurement of duration. Time does not exist for something without duration. Time emerges along with "duration".

    The durability of space creates the temporal measurement of an associated time-frame (age).
    Question is if an arbitrary time-frame constitutes a universal dimension?

    Is Duration a Dimension?
    https://www.thefreedictionary.com/duration
     
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  18. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    It's a self-evident phenomenon. Space creates measurable space and time, but time does not create measurable space nor time.

    Time is a resulting by-product (measurement) of duration of change, but has no independent existence apart from space.
     
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  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Well you have that correct

    What you fail to consider is not all of your NOWs are happening at the same moment

    Every single atom in the Universe has its NOW moment at the same moment

    Separation by DISTANCE is why they do not happen in the same region

    Show your workings please

    As answered already having a position of TIME not existing I am unable to give you properties WHICH DO NOT EXIST BECAUSE THE ITEM DOES NOT EXIST

    But since YOU claim time's existence YOU should be able to provide any of the said properties for the list, or any other property not listed

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    Hands up all those who think activity is taking place right NOW in the future?

    ..... in the past?

    Post your thoughts at your convenience

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  20. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    In other words they're separated in time.
    Except that, again, using the same argument you've used to claim time doesn't exist also "proves" that distance doesn't exist...
    No distance = no space/ volume. Ergo no void. Everything's at a single point.
    Why do you think time (a dimension) should have physical properties?
    Why does that argument not also apply to length?
    Not at all since I don't hold the belief that time should have "properties".
     
  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Got it

    Every thing which exists must have properties

    except TIME

    Bye

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  22. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    This thread sure got cranky in a hurry.

    Michael:

    What is it that allows them to happen at different moments?

    I don't think I really understand what you mean by that.

    If it means something like what I think it means, then I think you have a(nother) problem. Simultaneity is relative, so the "now" moment for one observer is necessarily different than the "now" moment for a relatively-moving observer.

    What are the properties of distance?

    What do you mean by "properties"?

    If I say "Time is the the thing that prevents everything from happening at once" then time would appear to have the property of preventing things from happening at once, for instance.

    Define "NOW" for me, please. The way I understand that word makes no sense when you use it.

    Really, michael, the fact that Mark Turner "likes" your posts should send off alarm bells, if nothing else.
     
  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Never

    CHANGE

    The changed version appears at different NOW

    Will come back to this

    NONE

    Third on the list in Merriam Webster is

    a special or quality characteristic of something

    Distance is not in anyway a something

    No accounting for taste

    I'm going off for a moment to write out answers and will cut and paste when back. Have a feeling will need to repeat so will file away

    Before I go NOW is the only moment in existence and my question to all

    Minor correction

    ... happening NOW or in the future or in the past

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