What is reality ?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Mark Turner, Aug 3, 2019.

  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I see, creating conditions to resemble universal high energy events cannot yield useful information? We should know our place and not even attempt to enter that domain? It's outside of human experience and potential knowledge?

    Do you believe in a "Unified field theory"?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_field_theory
    https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/208652-what-is-the-higgs-boson

    I know it's just a minor detail in the standard model.......

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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Your expressed certainty suggests that you know scientific "truth" to be other than as per scientific concensus.

    Would you care to share this heretofore unknown scientific truth? I, for one would be very interested.
     
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  5. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Ah I see where the idea stems from

    Think I might be straddling the fence here but so be it

    As objects move faster they gain kinetic energy but not mass

    However a mass, let's keep it to something easy to visualise (I find maths and equations OK for working out stuff but not easy for visualising explanations) so I pick a ball bearing

    I also pick a simple air pressure pipe with the ball bearing size bore

    OK set up as follows
    • target 10 metres away
    • few kilos of identical ball bearings
    • pipe in ridged horizontal clamp
    • rear end has attached a pressure chamber
    • pressure chamber has attached air cylinder for filling chamber
    • also attached is pressure reading guage
    • OMG how much more
    • one more set of equipment (to much watching Myth Busters) marked board and motion camera to film ball bearing as it passes the markings
    OK

    Test equipment - throw a ball bearing at target - record result
    This is our base mark
    Load up pipe, pressure up chamber, release pressure, record pressure, speed, depth penetration
    Double pressure
    Repeat upping to max safety limit

    Obviously would expect to see
    higher pressure = higher speed = deeper penetration

    Now comes the sitting on the fence moment

    I would contend the deeper penetration comes from the higher speed
    (the kinetic energy contained within the speed)
    NOT
    the miniscule increase in mass of the ball bearing due to its speed
    (in the case of the water cube, the speeding up the atoms of water by heating) (which could be below a Planck mass)

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    - if there is such a animal - if not I claim it as a Michael Mass

    I admit I did read up some stuff about this but the extremely well thought out and exquisitely detailed answer contains my ideas because I am bored

    So theoretically if heating stuff does increases mass it is unrecordable and any effects undetectable

    Coffee time

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  7. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    The truth is we are still very primitive in our interpretations of science .
    Take time for example , it isn't really scientific in a way of natural . Time was created before science became founded in the 17th century . What I need ,
    is just somebody just to listen .
    Prior, nobody would listen , thanks for wanting to listen .


    Time is what a clock measures is a false statement .

    A clock doesn't measure anything , we use a clock as a device to record our own aging .
    I hope you understood this .
     
  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Do you understand TIME does not exist?

    Is that your position?

    It mine (as many posters know)

    What is your position please

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  9. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    My view on time is that one ages from birth, then we get too old too quick. I also think , that time is just a means to record this process , no other value but that of the practitioner .
    If we consider time dilation in the Hafele and Keating experiment , we could say there is an aging dilation , if we need the correct interpretation.
    Time (aging) can be considered thermodynamics , inflow and outflow rate of energy .
    Do we need anymore than simple truths ?
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    And who makes that statement?
    The way you put it is contradictory. According to your own words, time does in fact measure and record "aging".....(Michael will like that...

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    I have a slightly different perspective. IMO, time is a resulting by-product of duration of change. The various time-frames (patterns) are arbitrarily set for convenient cataloguing and reference.
     
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  11. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Noted you talked about age OK. Except age is not time and My view on time is that one ages from birth, then we get too old too quick a personal view point not science so irrelevant and crap 1 is If we consider time dilation in the Hafele and Keating experiment , we could say there is an aging dilation , if we need the correct interpretation with crap 2 being Time (aging) can be considered thermodynamics , inflow and outflow rate of energy

    So you side stepped does TIME exist?

    No problem, (starts to sob at his simple request being dashed on the rocks of stupidity)

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  12. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    I like you pointing out it contradicts a earlier statement. Why not go the extra and say TIME does not exist so I can like it more

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    I'll be kind and refrain from comment

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    Cheers

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  13. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    Time does not really exist independent of matter . The aging process is all that counts , I be getting old as we all do , as all things do in regards to decay .

    Light matters , inflow and outflow of light being time itself .

    I don't think there is any need to consider time any other way , its not something mystical .
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I'll meet you half way. Time does not exist in the absence of change, but is a simultaneous by-product generated during change.
    This by-product is observable and utilized by many species for daily or seasonal activities, very much the same as for humans.

    I believe it is called the "circadian rhythms" which are tuned to regular phenomenal "periods of change" (i.e. 24 hr cycle).

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    https://en.getmoona.com/blogs/mission-sleep/how-your-circadian-rhythm-influences-your-sleep

    As we can point to many species having cognition of intermittent time intervals, can we not say that once a regular time interval is created it exists and is used by biological memory systems for survival purposes?
     
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  15. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Only in the form of saying a inch exist as a form of measurement

    Not sure I am there yet

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  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    What ever you THINK you are saying I am guessing you think is meaningful, even perhaps deep and meaningful

    It is not

    I will leave you at the mercy of the others

    They appear to have more patience than myself

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I can live with that. A temporal measurement created by change in spatial measurement.
    We definitely agree that Time does not exist independent of other conditions......

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  18. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Would you accept both our positions live on the land mass known as Schrodinger Cat Island with a Cheshire cat flag?

    Flag flown, alternate days, full / half staff

    There is more but bed calls as coffee wears off

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    Not sure I can tag on independent of other conditions.....

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  19. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Transient nature, because nothing is impossible.
     
  20. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Plenty of things are impossible.
     
  21. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Some would say "all things" is impossible.
     
  22. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, an idiot with poor English might say that, I suppose.
     
  23. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Exactly what I thought.
     

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