What is reality ?

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  1. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Well, if time emerges only as a measurable by-product (duration) of change, then that qualifier should be correct, no?
     
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  3. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    In reality time is just a word we made up to measure our own existence . Although geometrical positions change and the state of matter changes , those events don't have any affect on the space itself .
    There is no future or past , there is only past and future positions , look ahead or behind you while travelling a journey and this holds true .
    While things propagate through space , those things age while the space itself is forever unchanging .
    Things can age differently though , this depends on the entropy and the number of ways a volume can change its state .
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    IMO, that is incorrect. All things age because space is forever changing.
    Yep, and time is the measurement we use to tell the differences in relative temporal duration (aging faster or slower)
     
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  7. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Correct for AGE yes

    For TIME no

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  8. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Things can age differently, can and do, due to their speed through their environment, (one aspect of environment being gravity) hence the twin paradox and the need to constantly adjust synchronisation of satellites, these two well and truly tried to speed

    Much of the difference in ageing is in the region of micro seconds due to the low speeds involved but detectable

    TIME? not detectable due to having no properties to detect

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  9. Mark Turner Banned Banned

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    You are considering space as a whole and not just an empty immovable space that is possibly infinite .
    Matter occupying the space , atomic matter and field matter , substance that can age .
    We could say that relative time (the aging of matter) occupies a timeless space , considering an expanding visual universe , in being field matter expansion .
    Field density increase proportional to the inverse from an observable center .
     
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    Correct , the timeless property of space .
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Hence without spatial change time does not exist independently but becomes measurable only as a result of duration of change from the mega-quantum event of the BB to the age of 14.5 billion arbitrary time units (years) since the BB.

    p.s. the "timeless space " you visualize, I see as a "timeless permittive condition" without any spatial dimensions at all and thus no associated temporal dimension, i.e. complete absence of space and total timelessness.
     
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    An infinite space wouldn't have dimensions but a finite observation of infinite space , would give the impression of dimensions that have visual boundaries .
     
  13. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    To both

    Timelessness etc etc does not equate or is equal to TIME not existing

    Think about it

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    Zero doesn't change equates to time not existing
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, that's why time (duration of change) only becomes manifest during dynamic change, but does not exist without it.
     
  16. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    No idea what that means

    duration of change = AGE not time

    As per above, giving Timelessness as a aspect of something ie space, has the effect of saying
    "Well time does not exist in space, but other places it does"

    Care to join me on Schrodinger Cat Island?

    The only place you might find solace, as TIME does not exist there,except in the bubble you walk around in

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  17. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I see this differently. Age is a defined moment after a certain period of time.
    OTOH, time is an abstract "permissive temporal" tool, required for the quantum function and continuation of extant patterns.
    I disagree on that interpretation.
    When there is timelessness there is no aging, anywhere, because there is nothing that can be measured.
    Kewl....

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    We could ask; "does time exist inside the Box?"
    This would suggest "Pocket Universes".

    But Hawking has a slightly different interpretation.

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    I don't like this picture of the BB and initial stage of our universe. Where did all the stars come from? Prior BB's? The background should be completely black to indicate the absence of everything except the BB!
    https://www.livescience.com/61914-stephen-hawking-neil-degrasse-tyson-beginning-of-time.html

    But that would suggest time has always existed as a by-product of "being".

    I visualize a pre-BB (permittive) condition devoid of all properties and therefore not experiencing the passage of time.
    A pure stasis where no temporal measurements can be made. Until a mega-quantum event created the BB and cosmic inflation started (in the absence of physical restrictions), and thus establishing a dimensional coordinate "time-line". A chronology, a sequential accounting of units of duration of any change, from which the "age" of something can be extrapolated.

    I am doubtful about the notion of a diverse multiverse. Seems to me things would tend to get very crowded with competing universes. I see it more as Darwinian evolution where any form of dynamism would naturally self-form into a universal pattern similar to our universe as we know it in accordance to the physical laws created along with the creation of physical objects (patterns) as we know them to exist.

    But you had it correct when suggesting that Time is a temporal measurement of duration whereas Mathematics is the spatial measurement of physics............

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    Right, as associated with the process of growing old. But time does not only measure age, it also measures distance and duration of all associated changes and dynamic processes, from quantum to the "age"(measurement of existence) of the universe.

    But no one ever says ; "It's about age that you took care of this" instead of saying "It's about time you took care of this".
    IMO, it does not lend itself to an comprehensive equation. Age is a moment in time, time is a measurement of duration, from start to finish of a change?
     
  19. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Age is all of the period. Age 10 includes within all the lower ages below 10
    If I knew what this translation into English was I might have a reply

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    OK, park to one side

    Just a ageing cat of indeterminate status living / dead

    I envision pre Big Bang as stuff in existence in a different format than current existence

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    and also zero time within the different format

    TIME does not exist so I fail to see how it also measures distance and duration

    Distance measurement comes from arbitrary units just the same as duration is made between arbitrary NOW moments and arbitrary age units

    They do say
    "This is the dawning of the age of Aquarius" at the commencement of said age looking into the future

    It's about age - correct do not say
    It's about time - correct do say but incorrect to do so

    Word looking for - NOW

    Word looking for AGE

    Definitely coffee time

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  20. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Not necessarily, a moment in time could have been yesterday 24 hrs ago or expected to occur tomorrow, 24 hrs from NOW....

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  21. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Even if the moment was yesterday or is on its way and expected tomorrow it still retains the NOW moniker but for clarification you may wish to add qualifiers

    I also have noticed every moment you have described TIME you have only given descriptions, never a property

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    There is no yesterday or tomorrow , that is day and night subjective and made up .
     
  23. Michael 345 New year. PRESENT is 69 years old Valued Senior Member

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    Beg pardon

    Explain please

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