Discussion in 'About the Members' started by Enmos, Mar 4, 2009.
All Aquarius that I have ever known, had been evil.
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that is fuked up. the stepfather was saturn and i was sun and that is how it was because he did not care about conscience or being conscientious. he didn't just do this accidentally; it was conscious and willful. that was his whole agenda was to make sure that i would be fuked up in every way he could because of whatever potential he saw in me that he was jealous of.
totally fuked up situation where one has all the power and you have none. hell on earth.
i broke this disgusting and heinous cycle of oppression and inner death because that is literally what the saturn can do to the sun. it's murder and death of a life that can't be atoned for or undetectable from the outside since it is not happening on a physical level but it will be manifest on the physical as what is happening on the inner (damage, thievery, oppression) is reflected in the outer world and manifestation. the person will be weakened and not able to function normally or at optimum to achieve in life as they normally would have without the predation. it's no different than someone sabotaging your engine or taking out parts as well as miswiring so you spend so much time fixing it, you can't get anywhere.
i do not have that synastry with my child. i have a venus trine saturn which is beautiful and balanced camaraderie as well as his sun conjunct my jupiter and jupiter is the beneficent and giving toward the sun and letting the sun shine and develop to the best they can be.
Thank Goodness for free will !!!.
i only had the trine with the stepfather but that's all he needed was a foot in the door. he was that type of person. with a relatively normal or healthy person, it wouldn't have been so exploitive. he used that aspect like a square or opposition and there are those who have squares or opposition sun/saturn with you who wouldn't do what he did. it will just be different/diverging paths and you agree to live and let live or go your separate ways.
i had a sun/saturn trine with someone and he as well as i sure as hell wouldn't oppress and exploit someone, especially throwing out conscience to do so. this is a man who didn't want anyone to do better than him or have more education than him or make more money or be successful or in anything at all. he was a horrible human being who would pull down and oppress anyone that he could and bury them under.
you have to consider who is using these energies and aspects. two people can have the same synastry as well as same natal chart but they may not utilize it the same way. it's not just the aspects alone but how evolved or ethical a person you are dealing with will determine how they express and how they will treat you synastry-wise. the problematic aspects still exist but there is always a right/ethical way to deal with it versus a lower/unethical/unevolved.
Astrology is a powerful knowledge .
To your last statement , you are stronger than you give yourself credit for .
Knowledge is theory , Wisdom is knowledge put into practice .
I wish I could remember where I got that from , it is not from me . I wish it was .
my chart is riddled with afflictions. my mars is in the eighth house and it is badly aspected (square) by pluto which is the worst planet besides saturn to aspect it. since the eighth house is about what you have that is valuable to others, it can attract users and exploiters. it means that is what you will mainly attract and that is partly because mars in eighth house is a powerful placement anyways and those who lust for power will be attracted to you. what they are attracted to is not tangible but is magnetism, charisma, and power drive.
it's not always scum, perverts and sleaze that are attracted. you will attract those who are just similarly on the same wavelength or have similar mars drives as well, not necessarily to exploit you, but not as often because they are not as common.
that's venus/mars plus mars/pluto, mars/uranus and venus/neptune would make this chart the quintessential knight in shining armor. the one i am looking for is someone like myself in the deepest sense. they say you look for yourself in others/mirrors. it's really about self-actualization.
another guy out there who has my same chart but born at a different time is most likely hot as hell and doing really well. that's the thing, it's the timing of the chart that determines destiny as it moves/rearranges the aspects to different houses.
too bad i wouldn't get along with my closest astrological twin, no matter what time he was born. this is because our natals are very uranian and individualistic. but it does show in the synastry, the deepest camaraderie and understanding is between those of your own birth chart. you just have to feel that way and send your sympathies from afar. lmao
everything about my chart shows i've been looking for myself out there. that's why when i intuit a starry-eyed or artistic person or starving artist type or romantic/spiritual and sense a kinship, i'm looking for the long buried part of me in others. i am the same type of person.
did i mistakenly swallow my own soulmate before i incarnated?
this one is funny to me as i have this aspect with someone i know as well as that twin flame synastry. the rest is true but the bolded part is not going to work because i have made a conscious decision to not care about that at this point in my life. lol
This is true and its a beautiful aspect nonetheless even if hard to materialize or to attain such standards.
But such people do exist because i gave birth to one. Some lucky girl will be blessed with my sensitive, highly artistic and loving child.
lol. but i have self-awareness and have been aware of that. this aspect is mainly an artistic placement that is attuned to beauty and high standards in that regard that can be channeled in artistic endeavors. i used to be an artist and was meticulous/conscientious about only manifesting the best.
the positive aspect of this placement is the potential of the highest/exquisite ethereal vision of beauty that wants to manifest/ground in the world. it's the potential, it doesn't mean it will happen. there are so many other factors in life. it's also modified by other aspects in the chart as different individuals with this aspect will not all have the same chart. my chart is attuned to intense light energy from libra/pallas/galactic/supergalactic center so the highest and very 'best' in artistic expression, especially that is beautifully balanced is what we notice the most. not just any artistic expression. i mean, madonna has this aspect and i don't find her artistic sense to my personal taste. this makes us seem as if we are snobs in our criteria/judgement but that's not true. it's just everyone has different tastes just as others are allowed to have their own brand of artistic expression or what they prefer. i mean, i enjoy art that is not the best as well but i know the difference. to not know the difference or pretend it's all equal is just as snobby or disingenuous/discrediting. but different strokes for different folks. it will vary between each person.
but there is a reason why all art deserves manifestation because it's all interconnected. it's similar to cooking and you need all ingredients for creativity. even some seemingly trashy artistic expression is merely the projection of the dark side of society thrown in it's face which needs to be brought out into the light. it all has a place in the spectrum of human experience. and some seemingly imperfections is where you find the beauty and perfection as well. it's all context.
but in my chart, this is not entirely true as one aspect does not account for it all. i have other aspects which definitely point to the importance of the heart and soul of the other. real beauty does come from the heart and soul. it's the same for one's artistic expression and values.
lmao. this is true but it comes in quite handy and is a lot less messier and does not interfere with one's routine. i have had real relationships and it's not all that much better. lol
it is true that we are not interested in mere mortals. if they are not alien-like, we are not interested. we don't particularly like the mortal and fallible part of ourselves either, so i suppose that is fair. lol
true. good compromise.
i have mostly libra in my chart because my stellium of three planets and critical vertex is in libra. one wouldn't think today that this was me but i used to have excellent social graces, manners and mature communication skills. there is a lot of beauty in this chart which attracts a lot of jealousy or negativity from insecure or ill-wishing people. this is one of the reasons why i just started to replace my ways with others ways so as not to further attract more hate or aggression. when i say others, i mean exactly that. i replaced it with exactly how others treated me and now i am their mirror: immature, crass, aggressive, hateful, careless and ultimately lacking polish. unevolved people consider this type of chart snobbery and will be hateful or try to degrade you for any good or excellent qualities.
this chart is one that could have flourished around supportive and evolved caretakers and lifepath but would become tarnished and bruised around devils.
"If the world often seems unfair to people who believe in fate, this is because fatalists can come to believe they cannot change or improve. But if there is fate, it is fated that we make our own lives."
- monkey magic narrator
this is true but astrology is empowering, not fatalistic. to know thyself and what affects you is empowering. astrology is a mirror. it is also not true that we have full control over our destiny. it just doesn't work that way.
unless, you have studied astrology, you are pissing in the wind. most people who do not know astrology, assume it is all bunk and fatalistic and it isn't. for instance, synastry alone will prove to you that not everything is within your will or power. you have no power over larger forces that affect your life and destiny, only in how you respond.
unfortunately/fortunately, your life and destiny is written already in the stars, back to front, front to back and a to z. that's for everyone, whether you use your free will or not. that doesn't mean you don't exercise whatever free will you can. think of it as a simulation.
naive or pretentious people assume that if they are successful in a certain area or that their will is what is soley responsible for their lives is only because their chart is reflecting that there are no afflictions or obstructions in that area. so they assininely assume that all others must be able to do the same. whatever free will you exercise and there is an obstruction in your chart, the outside forces will intervene to make it so. it's all mirrored in astrology and perfectly. my chart is very much about individualism and free will, more than most, especially with aries but there are major contradictions in the chart. i use to believe that it was all up to me but it's not.
if your life is going well, just be glad but be careful in your arrogant assumption because next time around (different incarnation) you may find out that it's not going to work using your free will you assume is without limit if your chart differs.
my libra stellium is a cardinal placement. that is a leader and action oriented along with aries, capricorn, and cancer. that combined with my aries/taurus ascendant is very much about willpower and so is mars/pluto. but my destiny aspects in the chart are different. it's about learning a different lesson and neptune predominates in that part of the chart and relinquishing control and to look toward transcendence and the course of my life reflects that.
even my twelfth house is in aries but there is a major contradiction with the pisces which is opposite and since it's my north node, i would be fighting destiny and swimming upstream constantly. that's the destiny and where the lesson is which is the north node.
twelfth house signifies the submerged/real soul. even my mother said that as a child i would rather pass out than relinquish my willpower. tears used to stream down my face involuntarily out of the blue when i was a child when i got upset and people would wonder why but it wasn't always because of sentimental reasons but because my will was being infringed upon or blocked. it was actually seething anger i was trying to contain but there was nothing i could do about it. to be blocked is very painful. no one really wants to see me get angry especially with mars square pluto. it's very explosive. i can even make grown men scared when i get angry. it's similar to what happens when someone is in crisis mode and they get extra superhuman powers from an adrenaline rush. my 2oo lb, 6'2 ex knows that well.
my virgo south node is what i came into this incarnation originally and that is a very fact-based/oriented nature and what i can do easily. the south node is what you have already known and mastered. that used to be my mantra in my early days: this is so 'illogical' or why are people so illogical etc. heh.
fatalistic? i would be like the last person to give up the idea of free-will and self-empowerment but the destiny aspect of my chart was brutal in that regard.
there are three types of signs: cardinal, fixed and mutable. almost all my planets are in cardinal with a couple in fixed signs of aries, libra, capricorn, aquarius, leo and cancer. even my ic is in cancer and my moon and mc is conjunct in capricorn/sag which is supposed to be someone who makes it to the top or supposed to at least be successful. it's like why is she straggling way in the back limping and everyone already is at the finish line wondering what the fuk happened to you.
my north node in pisces and neptune in scorpio square my mars in cap/sag (that's another powerful mars placement as that sign is exalted and at full power in that house and even more so with the eighth house placement). but the square in eighth house is relinquishing that power to others to shine in this life. if not, it will just be taken anyways. this is very painful to endure and realize your dreams will not happen as your toolbag will be used for others benefit, not yours. my chart is amazingly powerful/beautifully put together for success and visionary but it's sabotaged in just about every nook and cranny as well.
the pisces in north node means to wipe my tears and look higher and that there is another even better frontier while the vultures pick off the rest of my bones, because while mortals think this is the best it gets here but it's not. heh. my mars conjunct pallas is the assurance of flight and having wings that others are not privy to such as transcendence away from this pit. so they can degrade, rob and tear me to pieces here but those lower astral level beings/souls only option is to be here and cannot ascend as they do not have the right or earned it. pfft.
How tragic and twisted that venus/neptune natal is a crap magnet.
Invariably and like clockwork, whenever someone thinks i am the 'one', they have venus in sagittarius in my 8th house. Of course, not everyone as there are other factors. One aspect does not trigger attraction or compatibility but they almost always have this placement. capricorn mars also resides in my eighth house but i don't attract them or have a natural indifference because they make too many negative aspects to my other placements so i block that energy. my ex had this placement (venus sag) and whenever someone is infatuated, they usually deposit this in my eighth house. every proposal i've ever recieved was from a guy who had venus or mars in sagittarius. this also makes a lot of positive aspects to my fire placements.
the problem with this placement is it starts out romantic and they sweep me off my feet or attempt to, but then i end up as the knight in shining armor and they become the damsel in distress (lol), no matter how manly or strong he is, after awhile. in other words, that i am stronger than them. this is because it will be my mars that conjunct their venus and their venus squares my pluto and venus is no match squared against pluto (male or female). it's also irritating to both if you try to get too close as it's not flowing as in a trine. mars in sag is okay as it conjuncts my mars so it's equal. but i've found through experience that these synastry aspects are better for friendship, mutual respect and encouraging eachother though. these people will tend to help eachother when needed or identify with eachother's m.o.
but the best placement (for me) is leo mars as it conjuncts my venus and is placed in my fifth house of leo but it's rare for me to attract that because that would be too much like right/perfect and the jackpot so we can't have that kind of perfection in the world now, can we? this way they are the knight in shining armor. the attraction is much more romantic and magnetic. unfortunately, it causes the mars square saturn aspect as a consequence and it's difficult to maintain. this is also common in marriages but again, you will need a whole host of other good contacts for this to work.
i am not that interested in this experience anymore as it's considered equal to venus/pluto but it's definitely not equal to venus trine pluto, that is epic love and much more profound than this one, but this one (venus/pluto) is hard to last as it's very otherworldly unless you have a bunch of very good aspects between you. but you'll never forget them because you loved so deeply down to the depths of your soul. actually, with this experience, they will always be a part of you, even if you separate physically because you meld as one on a soul level (quantum entanglement).
if you are plutonian venus/eighth house is a facsimile or one step down to venus/pluto. this is definitely not for the faint or half-hearted. you will get burned big time but the depth of love it can generate is profound. if you aren't that plutonian, venus/eighth house is intense enough or for some, too much.
notice the beauty and the beast here. the beast is moon and beauty is the eighth house of hidden treasure and power. astrology lesson: same sign but in different house can be completely different experience. i can't stand moon in sagittarius people and i keep a wide berth from them as they are like invaders, trespass and plunder what you have. i've already experienced this and it mirrors others experiences too.
that's the thing: everyone's moon and house placement will be different so it's contextual in meaning. the ones you resonate to positively will not be the same for another. the ones you have good chemistry with will not be the same for another.
i should stress the importance of not taking these aspects out of context. you can have these aspects with your grandmother, your mailman, a co-worker you can't stand etc.
it's not about these aspects specifically because many factors are involved in mutual attraction besides just synastry but when it's mutual, the synastry will also correlate as well and be consistent. that's the pattern of coherency/synchronicity. it's about the 'whole picture' though as all ingredients have to be right, some obvious and some not so as love is a mystery.
you can have the same synastry with two people and love one and not the other. actually, you can feel nothing for them or even dislike them. this is because the 'soul' inhabiting that chart is not the same, just as two who own same model toyota prius (year, even color etc) are not the same or live in the same specific model house in a suburb (the analogy being the person would be the actual unique soul and the car or house is the general chart), but, again, the chart must match up as well and it remarkably does (because that is also a part of the requirement but is only parcel), consistently with your specific soulmate types, not just anyone blindly and randomly with that same chart or aspect. there are people who tend to think this generally but they are users/manipulators and see people as objects/parts to use for their benefit or they are very un-evolved and will get together with anyone, just for the sake of having a relationship or to not be alone such as co-dependency. it literally does not matter who the other person is.
another analogy would be how you pick out your puppy out of a litter of purebreeds that are related and appear fairly similar but they are not. the one you pick will be more personally attuned to you or you will notice differences between them, it's that inexplicable something and that 'inexplicable' quality/traits they resonate with will differ from person to person. when it comes to people, it has to be mutual, of course, for it to work as in a healthy relationship.
they all share some of the same general qualities but they are not all alike and your soulmates are the ones that you resonate with more mutually/positively out of that same group or chart.
attraction is very complex/personal/unique.
This is how it does go down though. There is a lot of intense staring at first (lol). From them to me. I only stared back wondering why they are staring. This is in no way romantic if you are not attracted, btw. But if you are, its intrigueing as if there is an underlying buzz in the air between you, even with other people around. Its almost like they see you as a long lost friend or first love that fell to the wayside, they want to take care of and know you better than you know yourself or believe they do. Its like you cant believe you are being accepted but they look at you like they know you. It feels like adoption in some way. Lmao.
Since its my particular mars placement (this part is not the same for everyone as mars may be in a different house), they see your hidden power/talents/beauty and they identify with it, so its a camaraderie/respect mixed with romanticism. So they were alpha types due to honing in on the mars but judging it not up to correct speed. They tend to have some impression you are failing at your job/mission of heroine and you are falling way behind, outright failing, lost your map and compass or possibly even went awol or thats the impression i got. Lol.
Later, when the romance passes you will find out why because they will treat you like their personal secretary and confidante which will not be romantic at all but you signed up inadvertently for a job. The pay is being owned by the venus and at least physically provided for. It will be a business relationship while he screws other women but still has the gall to expect fidelity on your part. They are strangely jealous/possessive/controlling for a person who is no longer really into you. I couldnt even talk to another male unless he approved of him. This is not going to fly with a uranian person. This is when the power struggles begin and the bomb goes off (mars/pluto). The end.
Looking back, i felt weighed down with responsibilities like i turned into their mom and not their partner. He depended on me to take care of details in his life.
They look through you deeply and see you as their equal regardless. It is beautiful in the beginning.
But this aspect with mars does produce this effect. Its like they want to lift you up or out of your guagmire or whatever mess you are in.
It is romantic in a pitiful and somewhat embarassing way (for the target). Lol
Ahh, have neptune (house) and pluto (scorpio) in seventh house. Dreamy and intense. Neptune is the higher octave of venus.
These aspects are best channeled in artistic endeavors, not projected on one mortal/person.
These placements are not considered good for relationships as there are too many misconceptions and its ungrounded energy. It is good for art though.
according to this, capricorn suns are among the signs with the most cheaters. i also saw a study/statistic once that venus in capricorn was most common aspect among prostitutes and the reasoning was that they set aside their feelings for business.
anyways, venus and mars in sagittarius have been noted as being more prone to cheat or be players but a single sign placement does not make one a cheater. it's usually the planets that have more weight there than the sign for this indication such as uranus in 7th house. for alpha females or players, one (not all) of the placements was mars in capricorn and sagittarius which i have both in eighth house. i have not cheated on anyone in a relationship, however, because that is not what i'm about. i'm neither about playing others or being stuck in a rut/co-dependent or unhappy relationship/situation either.
the only male who ever thought i cheated on him was that sicko pedophile stepfather because of his demented brain. the fuker refused to even register/process rejection or dislike normally either because of his megalomania. he was too blinded by his sick lusts and envy of the fact i was just more attractive a person than he was. the reason was as petty as that. even more gross, he seemed to think his association with me meant that some of that shine was going to rub off on him as if he himself was a seething jealous woman. he was absolutely covetous of my sense of personal power/integrity. just the idea that i might have a happier life than him was too much for him to stand. it's just unbelievable. he took out his rage and malice through molestation and feeling powerful by overpowering another human being; a child which is the easiest. pedophilia/molestation/rape etc is just a word; the reality is much, much more depraved because it is so sickeningly lame.
sag just means freedom is very important and so i can identify with that energy. even if i attract sag venus or mars, i'm okay with it because i value my freedom and individual rights, so i can't really be upset about another. it does not matter either because i haven't been 'really' in love anyways with anyone totally. the only person i have truly loved with my whole heart sincerely/completely is my son. i don't consider any of this crap real love. my standards are totally different. these were just experiences along the way.
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