What is the most evil astrological sign ?

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What astrological sign are you ?

  1. Aries (March 21 — April 19)

    2.6%
  2. Taurus (April 20 — May 20)

    12.8%
  3. Gemini (May 21 — June 21)

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  4. Cancer (June 22 — July 22)

    7.7%
  5. Leo (July 23 — August 22)

    2.6%
  6. Virgo (August 23 — September 22)

    7.7%
  7. Libra (September 23 — October 23)

    7.7%
  8. Scorpio (October 24 — November 21)

    15.4%
  9. Sagittarius (November 22 — December 21)

    5.1%
  10. Capricorn (December 22 — January 19)

    15.4%
  11. Aquarius (January 20 — February 19)

    20.5%
  12. Pisces (February 20 — March 20)

    2.6%
  1. birch Valued Senior Member

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    as another example, have you ever met someone that you felt like you knew before (a good familiarity or recognition of someone close), but you never met someone like that or had a relationship with such a person in this life? or at least not in this life (whether or not you believe in reincarnation) or this plane (world, dimension, universe etc), but you can't put your finger on it but it's this knowing feeling you can't deny?

    everyone has, whether they admit it or not. And Yep, there is an indicator of that in astrology too. again, quite eerie how that matches up when you check it vs those you don't feel that way about or there is no connection. there is also something that indicates a hate at first sight aspect as well (someone you disliked or enemies in a past life indicator/opposite values).
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You may want to see this movie...it deals exactly with this subject in a very well played plot.
     
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  5. birch Valued Senior Member

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    and there are people who would love you very much and are very compatible, that you will never be allowed to meet in this life or can be with eachother. star-crossed is not just a metaphor, it can be literal.

    for instance, a synastry indicates how two people feel about eachother but a composite represents the destiny. some people can't even cross paths. sad, isn't it?

    there is this saying in astrology that you aren't supposed to be together in every life, even those dearest to you or those you do love may be torn from you too.
     
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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    That is physically true, but today we are able to mentally communicate all over the world, thereby getting to "know" the mind of the person, rather than the distraction of a person's appearance.
    If the minds are empathic (similar mirror neural sytems), then reality is shared.
    OTOH, if physical attraction was the main reason for the relationship, there is no guarantee that each experiences reality the same as the other. That's problematic.
     
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  8. birch Valued Senior Member

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    it doesn't matter. if the composite indicates that two can't be together, it won't happen or if it's short-term. it's just the way it is.
     
  9. birch Valued Senior Member

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    it depends on what kind of relationship. for a romantic one, it would be both versus platonic.

    but it's also more complicated than that as soul level attraction that's for significant others is a very nuanced thing and astrology addresses that also. just a general agreement is not an indicator of a significant mutual connection. we can do that with a lot of people. for instance, there are people on astrology forums who understand astrology, many very in-depthly but that doesn't mean because they see eye to eye on that level, that they are a significant relationship or connection anymore than those who discuss physics on this forum and may understand or agree, generally.

    but i have to add the harsh reality because the universe also is indifferent, so it causes some seriously fuked up, perverted and damaging situations as well.

    for instance, one can have a horrific synastry with someone and have a composite that allows to be physically together that is toxic and/or abusive or it's unbalanced, even long-term.

    you have to recognize it and escape any way you can because the universe is not going to do it for you. that's the only power you have for your well-being, often is that choice of who to deal with.

    that's the reality, it can occur in any combination. good or bad, beneficial or harmful.
     
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  10. birch Valued Senior Member

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    so honest. lol

    an self admitting pisces. they are pegged wrong because they are not more compassionate or caring than other signs.

    you've got to consider these esoteric models with a huge grain of salt, especially if you are a beginner.

    this is because even most who believe in astrology think it is a complete snapshot of the nature of a person when it's nothing more than an energetic and planetary infliuence, not who they are. who you really are at a soul level was before you even came into this world.

    astrology is an exterior to work with. this is why you will have good or evil behavior from people with the same chart because they are not innately the same person, consciousness or soul, anymore than if a group of people went to buy the same t-shirt with the same logo print, does not make each person the same or like eachother or compatible just because the chart has cut and dry aspects. you can have a great synastry with someone and detest them because that is just abstract and there is more to a person than what astrology can account for.

    even astrology can admit real love is a mystery and so is our real identity and astology is just an imperfect tool, not the actual truth.
     
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  11. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i also question this literal past or future life association just based on aspects. i think that is just a way to explain a certain resonance that seems familiar. that does not mean you had a literal past life with that literal person/entity and even if it were, neither does it mean it was positive either. some people are forced together by circumstances so the idea of fate or destiny is not some divine order in the sense that it was meant to be anymore than how the laws of physics work because so are accidents as well as deformities, disease and deaths of all kinds also fate and destiny just as well.

    so this interpretation as an entitlement perspective is erroneous. it's just cause and effect and how it ripples through a fabric of space/time affecting everyone.

    the past or future life associations seem to be about patterns in the direction you came from as well as where you are going on an energetic level and what/who influences that, not so much that there is a literal past or future association with such people. perhaps people with similar types of energies that influenced you in some way or you have similar natures or aspects.. this makes sense as patterns are repeated in nature and in more than one scenario or lifetime.
     
  12. birch Valued Senior Member

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    for instance, this is one of the aspects i had with the stepfather and he was the saturn in this synastry which is cold, harsh and oppressive. as far as the spiritual development, i was more spiritually developed and evolved which is why this was so detrimental and unbalanced.

    when i had a reading done about his attitude and how he was justified his sense of entitlement was that he sensed my higher vibrations and ethics and since i represented a step-up to him, he considered that he was my equal and vice-versa and compatible. she was really upset when she looked into it and she kept repeating that it was really sick, sick, sick... she even got up from her chair and started walking around hyperventilating because it is so utterly unfair and dehumanizing for someone who has lived their life sinfully and enjoying that depravity to mar and dehumanize another soul because it latches on and parasitizes off of it. and the most intimate avenue to that level of access is sexually such as molestation and rape. he benefited in the exchange, i did not. my soul and humanity just got tarnished and demoted further while he was able to pump himself up even more. now why is that? because my energy was cleaner and better quality, his was garbage.

    life and nature are not fair. you have to learn to think like a predator just like them if you want to gain in life. or they will feed off that sweetness.

    Opposition hhj Moon / dgfg Saturn - orb: 01' 15'
    This is a difficult comparative combination for all kinds of relationships. Often relationships are based on financial reasons or security rather than any degree of affinity, although it certainly does not preclude the latter. This marks a situation in which there may be significant difference in age, maturity, or spiritual development in the partners. The relationship may make one or the other feel pessimistic and fearful. This is a real wet-blanket aspect.
     
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  13. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Mercury Trine Uranus: You're intuitive, brilliant, inventive, mentally dexterous and self-reliant. You have an excellent memory, a humanitarian outlook, a sense of drama and writing and speaking talent. You may appear stupid due to your single-mindedness . You have an excellent ability to communicate ideas. You're not dogmatic or orthodox and won't accept an idea just because it's popular. You're a trend breaker and a trendsetter and are far ahead of the times in your comprehension of life. This aspect denotes an advanced soul. You're unique, enterprising and progressive and have a natural understanding of subtle energy forces. You have a natural tendency to tune into the Universal Mind, gaining intuitive flashes of insight.

    http://astroligion.com/sun-conjunct-uranus/

    I did not intend to veer in that direction but being around psychopaths and having to deal with extremely perverted and metaphysically too but effective (works) minds and how they manipulate and bend their environment to their will gave me no choice but to realize that there is more than conventional reality. People's minds and spirits don't always follow the rules or what is decent or sensible, they can break them even in the most heinous and obscene ways. This is what you have to be aware of.
     
  14. birch Valued Senior Member

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    mercury sextile, trine, conjunct, opposition, square or quntile uranus is a common aspect in the chart's of scientists, inventors and researchers. But it is also common in the charts of psychopaths/sociopaths. this is because it gives the ability to think outside the box but how you use it and why is up to the individual, depending on their nature and ethical values. but thinking outside the box can be used for good or for perversion and evil.

    the reason why the trine is considered the best is it's the most balanced energy between the two planets and therefore most sane perspective but all of them pretty much do the same, as it's up to how the individual uses it.

    my mother and stepfather also had this aspect in their chart, not the trine but the conjunct and square which are even more forceful. so does my real father and so does my son. one can decide to use an aspect for positive, constructive reasons or to better the world and another can use it to hone their criminal skills or for ill motives. here is the discepancy: you need to learn and be aware of underhanded criminal skills, not to utilize it yourself but to be aware that there are those who do and when that situation comes up, then you will be able to conquer and beat it. you can't do that if you don't know what is going on or you are too nice to realize what people do. you don't have to be as down and dirty as a rule as your opponent but you do have to know the bottomline just as well in order to be defensive or offensive when needed. this all depends on one's moral values on how and when they use this aspect and the chart can't speak for every aspect of a person or their free will.

    you have a choice.
     
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  15. birch Valued Senior Member

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    http://theinnerwheel.com/2009/10/13/synastry-studies-the-mcic-part-two-aspects-and-inter-aspects/

    You can't just go by appearances say between an adult and a child or assume one is more mature or carrying responsiblities because it's the adult or older.

    Also, with people like this, if you show fairness or kindness, they will take full advantage of it to the point they believe that you owe them continually, simply for the fact they are getting what they want out of you. and if you stop, they will be spiteful and vengeful. can you believe that? you didn't do anything wrong to them but if you try to protect yourself from their exploitation, you are doing wrong to them in their view. dealing with evil, morally depraved and insane people will fuk you up in the head/heart.

    for instance, i tried to lock my bedroom door after i was molested so the stepfather was angry and so he removed the door handle. once i was listening to a love song on the radio and he maliciously derided me that i was fantasizing about the singer or someone else as if i was beholden to him and was cheating on him? this was when i was a sophomore in high school and he was attending bible seminary? once in panama city when he was assistant preacher at carlisle baptist church, when i came home from school he was there alone with me and so he started making an obscene attempt and so when i got angry, he became violently angry and dragged me by the hair to the bathroom and shoved soap in my mouth. because i was depressed often due to carrying all these ugly secrets and skeletons for them, i was slapped on my face by that so-called mother for not showing a happy face to her ridiculous church congregation. his bitch of a monster of a wife, would come into my room and tear a poster off my wall and slap me on the face just for the hell of it and proclaim i don't love them as much as the person on the poster if i don't do what they want. very petty and nasty things like that. there are so many instances, i can't name them all. it was like a whirlwind of nastiness and depravity.

    The stepfather seemed to see me as some type of therapist for his issues, trash receptacle, sex object to purge his perversions, ragdoll for his aggressions, maid for his home, and a nanny for his daughter.

    Same thing with the mother as she also had sexual perverted attitudes toward me but in speech and attitude not in action. like when i was developing around puberty and she noticed my chest was enlarging, she told me to remove my sweater so she could see. very roughly and out of jealousy because i was her enchmark for who to compare herself with because she wouldn't be able to get away with this type of behavior or attitude with others because they would be angry/pissed off and disgusted, of course. it's like she was a bisexual butch rapist of a woman. Her rape was of your soul through jealousy, malice and ill will. His went completely also to actual sexual deviance physically.

    That's another aspect in synastry i had with my abuser and that was their saturn on my ic, which is a very sensitive intimate point. i had to be the parent and take on all burdens physically and emotionally which is destructive and just eats away at who you are to the point you don't even remember anymore what you want later in life because it's been eroded under so much damage and taking on other people's issues and burdens, so during your developmental time, finding what you wanted in life never got to really develop properly.

    They benefited and were able to develop what they wanted though. i noticed they were generally more carefree and unaffected than i was overall in life and expected more/entitled (which proves they weren't as abused or oppressed to believe they deserved less) and got along/identified on frequency with everyone else, generally, meaning they didn't stick out or alarm bells with people did not go off. they were very lazy people who seemed to believe ( i have no idea where they got this idea) that others were supposed to serve, suffer or sacrifice for them. they were the laziest people about tasks that any decent person would do themselves instead of taking advantage of another such as personal chores and responsiblities so they wouldn't have to do them. they wanted to make sure they could pawn off all the dirty work on someone else yet they were not more evolved or more intelligent. they just believed because they were so genuis at evil that they were superior to others, unlike them.

    this is why when i hear people complain about the next generation as being less mature or irresponsible or entitled etc than the previous, it truly makes me angry because it's not true. it has nothing to do with a generation. there are people who have existed like this all along in society in every generation.

    i mean, he was just a janitor basically who became a preacher (a quintessential scum redneck even though he wasn't born to such a family) and she was his wife who had social climbing aspirations. both were megalomaniacs. even i don't understand that type of ambition. a cancer and capricorn: pretty cold, ruthlessly ambitious, hoighty toighty combo.

    you know the film - the quick and the dead with sharon stone, where they say that they had to 'bury him deeper' because he stunk so bad is an apt metaphor for the stepfather and his filthy and diabolical character. he just reveled in filth and he was offended when someone around him was cleaner in any way or better or wanted better etc, even a hint and would degrade, abuse and demean you down to his level, brutally and violently. he loved to pervert and damage everything and anything as a way of competition against others. same with her.

    they just find some way to dump this crap on someone else which makes me wonder horrificly if that means that is what most people do, which in turn, again would mean that people like me are the more rare, saner and ethical ones because we don't operate that way and even after going through this shit, we would not do such hideous things to people!!

    those who burdened you could have dealt with their own problems/issues, it was just an opportunity to dump or inflict their issues on someone else, so either they would have to deal with it.

    my whole life, nature has shown me it's disgusting, twisted, perverted and has absolutely no fairness or sanity to it. the only sane people all throughout anything in life (though it's fuked up) is the abjectly selfish and aware of what is beneficial only to them at all times.

    i have very sound and good reason to hate or be suspicious of society because i have actual life-long proof and evidence.

    if these types of people were really the minority in a so-called good society, they would have been the outcasts (even if people claim they didn't know, it doesn't matter).

    society ostracizes people when they don't really know them either for various reasons (even instinctively) so that tells me that scum are always the majority. fact.
     
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  16. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Meaning it seems to be that people like them do the best because they dont care about ethics and only toward certain people such as people who have power.
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    I have these aspects with my son as well as sun/mercury double whammy. So there are unseen forces that may love or care for you and that can see your struggle and pain and can try to help you in some way in this existence. My synastry with him is rated 100 percent compatible, not 30, 40, 50, 98 or 99 percent. do you know how rare that is? very, very rare. it's very unusual to get such a score with most people. you have to consider this is all based on date and exact time of birth as well as mixed with the spiritual evolution of that soul/spirit before it incarnated. a highly evolved soul and a lesser evolved soul can be born and have the same chart. my son is a highly evolved and very loving soul. truly a gift and blessing to me from up above or from a place of pure light. even that is not as coincidental as people might assume, good or bad. there are profound forces (good and evil) in the world, universe and beyond we are not aware of.

    so i know this was not a coincidence because a higher power reached down to bless me with a soul/kindred spirit who truly loved me in this world and to remind me who i really was and to uplift me when the world and the evil people in it were trying to crush me. i saw a vision of it once and it was a young man in a cloud reaching one of his hands down toward me and i was looking up at him (all symbolic). funnily, the man was not my son, it was representing my (soul) mate who is not here on this plane (incarnated in this life) and sent one of our 'spirit' kindred soul to me. just lovely.

    but we also have mars square saturn (almost impossible to avoid some obstacle or problematic aspect in this universe) but the price for the majority good to come through but that is also one of the most common aspects (yes, the square which is considered the worst rather than the conjunct, trine or sextile) in order for most all of the good aspects to align/window and people who remark wistfully who they loved most deeply in their past or present, even if they lost them or became separated in this world or have a different path/mission to lead.

    i will always love him and i know deep down he loves me always.
     
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  18. birch Valued Senior Member

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    The 4th house represents (figuratively or literally) the father figure and the 10th house the mother figure. yep, my 4th house (ic) is cancer and stepfather was a cancer sun sign. my mother is sun sign capricorn and my mc (10th house) representing worldly ambition and career is in capricorn but she competed with me, instead of nurturing like a parent is supposed to do. my moon is in 10th house which is supposed to represent attaining the highest status in career (even fame) which did not happen but it means the energy and potential was there but they sensed that which was the problem as it was another aspect to squash or cripple. my real father was a taurus sun sign and my taurus is in the 12th house besides aries and double/cusp ascendant in aries/taurus (highly ambitious placement and fearless pioneer) as well as planet neptune (spiritual/artistic). 12th house is last and the hidden or submerged house.

    the ic which is already ruled by cancer/saturn by default has cancer sign deposited so it's double the strength, positive or negative depending on other variables and factors. it was negative because my stepfather's saturn is in the sign of cancer conjuncting my ic which was another loophole/avenue to squash my spirit/soul and the mother targeted the 10th house. a 4th house saturn also signifies spiritually that often these are not the real parents as it is often denoted in foster homes, orphans etc so it makes sense these were not my spiritual parents which is why they were spiritual enemies or at best just negligent but i was not that lucky because they were too jealous.

    but the ic with double sign strength indicates a powerful mothering instinct and champion of children's rights in it's most positive expression which i did with my son to break the horrible cycle of abuse.

    i actually have an unusual chart because the sun, moon, ascendant (these three represent primarily who you are) and 12th house are all on cusp of two signs as it means instead of four signs, it is eight signs that influence me plus the taurus in the 12th. that's nine planets (sign rulers) and the ninth harmonic is spiritual ascension or issues. that is considered a powerhouse chart and usually people with these placements go on to be movers and shakers at large as in literally changing the world in some way but the rest of the chart was demolished because of the people who were the caretakers were horribly jealous and destructive in the chart's most vulnerable aspects and stage, it was not to happen. in this sense, they were aligned in their chart to be my enemies and to sabotage my chart progression literally. often, this does not happen this specifically so it very much can be likened to an actual set-up or conspiracy and double-teamed. this chart requires very manipulative people to defeat it (intuit and attack the vulnerable spots within the chart) and that is what they were. heh, the only problem is this was not a honorable win for their side because i was a child and had zero power. that's the only way they would have been able to defeat me and i knew that even then. but evil has no honor or conscience.

    the positive is that my 12th which is the last and considered the most spiritual (besides the ic) houses aries, taurus and pisces (last sign in last house ruled by neptune and neptune rules pisces means completion) means that supposedly in the afterlife, i can choose either to reincarnate (start over at first sign of aries) or go elsewhere, which is probably why i'm one of those who is so attuned or interested in the concept of the afterlife and leaving the cycle of reincarnation: 12th house issues.

    some people don't even have any signs deposited in the 12th house so afterlife is not an issue at all for them or to them.
     
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  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    another interesting note about this chart is there are a couple classic indicators for fame which is jupiter/vertex/anti-vertex and mc /ascendant/descendent, which has both aspects perfectly aligned in the chart.

    i don't think it was a coincidence that i saw visions and dreams of people which i had no idea who they were at the time when i was a child but later became celebrities of some sort. this was the vision of the scene in the movie theatre and the two apparitions i saw in my early twenties. i had a reading done on this bizarre situation considering i had no conscious aspirations of such fame and the divination showed passed life indication of some sort with these people, not necessarily in this plane/universe though. what the cards did indicate though that whatever plane it was or 'other' side, it was me that was on top. here it is them.

    good for them, they can have it though. because i never cared as much as i was concerned about developing my own artistic abilties and if it can't flourish for whatever reasons, then i don't care. aborted mission.

    my son is working with some people specifically in the movie industry, not just gaming. my mother's side of the family also has ties to celebrities now as they are successful (in their country). and my real father to politicians and celebrities due to his high wealth and status, when he was living.

    all her siblings are successful and married well except for her and her redneck psychopathic husband. but if they were successful, then i might have benefited in some way or they would have been content enough to not turn the green evil eye on me so that wouldn't work if the agenda was to destroy me, now would it? .

    when i did visit one of my most successful uncles, i was invited to witness a celebrity shoot in the wee hours of the morning in the middle of a street that was blocked off. his actual profession has nothing to do with the celebrity world but because he is vice president of a major corporation overseas, he knows people. this is the same fuker who was jealous (all of them were at that time) of my rich father when i was little and would bully me because he wasn't successful yet. since he couldn't target my father, he just took out his anger out on me. this fuker acts like he's been cool with me me all his life and even bizarrely asked me if i wanted to visit the section of the city that i was born in. creepy and wtf?

    they were such nasty people. first it was the aunts/uncles, then my grandmother took my child support, then it was my mother because she didn't snag him as a husband (resentful of me) and then the stepfather because he wasn't successful.

    i'm not successful, powerful or have money and i don't have an entitled attitude about it.

    but there is a difference as they have ties to that world, not actual fame indicators in their chart. this is probably why they were so irrationally hell-bent on pummeling me to the ground so i could not outshine them in any way. but my agenda was not fame itself but inspiration but especially coupled with higher ethics which doesn't really apply to the regular celebrity world anyways. obviously, that's not how things usually run here.

    but i sense these 'family members' are posers because it doesn't legitimately come from their heart or who they really are. they don't actually appreciate art.

    the only ones in this family that does appreciate art is my son, me and sister to some extent (photographer). the rest have no artistic ability at all or interest. they just want money, status and power for it's own sake. not even a single one of my nieces or nephews are interested in anything artistic. my half-sister from my real father's side has an art degree though.

    you have to have some sensitivity and usually some heart to be a really inspired and good artist as in appreciating, respecting or recognizing beauty in it's various forms.
     
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  20. birch Valued Senior Member

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    http://astroarena12.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-moon-and-your-mother.html

    Yep, moon in capricorn/aquarius cusp and my mother was also an extremely controlling capricorn.

    That's scary, isn't it? when you realize there are actual monsters out there who cultivate an outward respectable image and that is not what they really are on the inside, literally and with full knowledge craftily fooling the public. i know because that woman was nothing like how she was portraying herself. i mean we all have to have some public persona but her soul/heart (if you can call it that) was extremely evil, depraved and malicious behind closed doors.

    this also shows up in how i broke the cycle with son with a firey (fighting spirit/autonomy) moon and mc/uranus (aquarian freedom and autonomy) to follow and carve out his own desires/visions for his life and to give freedom to develop who you are is the deepest respect and love; free from being under someone's ego, control or oppression. his ic is also in a fire sign. you need that to fight for your rights and freedom in a family or world that you are beginning disadvantaged as well as my uranian chart was vitally necessary in order for me to get out from their oppression.

    my chart is highly uranian that it's called an 'honorary aquarian.' so it's not a single sun or moon sign but you have to consider the energy of the overall aspects. lots of uranus aspects is aquarian as it's ruled by uranus. whichever planet hits your aspects the most: sun, moon, mars etc
     
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  21. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, this is very true but you must be wary because many people don't use their energy or power with conscience, especially in areas where they will not be caught or it's done behind closed doors.

    not every individual is a very good person; 'very good' meaning the heart, not just what is considered okay or acceptable in outward society or mainstream values. many scummy people become successful or are respected in society just as some truly (still more rare than the former) good hearted ones.

    likewise, people who have very good or ethical hearts must be doubly wary when involved with people who are not as ethical (besides publicly) in relation to them because the way it works is the one with the better ethics will be victimized because their sense of fair play will be exploited or used against them, if they believe everyone plays by the golden rule.
     
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  22. birch Valued Senior Member

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    yes, i have dejanira conjunct moon and mars specifically. mars is the action planet and i've been victimized continually for trying to start-up my life by blocks seemingly happening randomly or by others, either through prejudice or jealousy. as a child, i could not show iniative for myself as it was something to be jealous of by those close around me and later it was difficult to get anywhere as blocks or accidents or others would get in the way, somehow or they would spontaneously come out of nowhere. i even thought once to myself that one person cannot have this much bad luck in a row, that it seems randomly/statistically impossible but dejanira is considered to be another victim placement so it exudes that victim vibe unconsciously and people who pick up on that will use it against you or rub salt in that particular wound. this is the lame and dishonorable ways society gets their little kicks and boosts of ego.

    moon conjunct denjanira, of course, would wound more personally as the moon is more sensitive placement of your emotions/heart/soul while the mars is less personal and you aren't going to be 'feeling' that but it's outcome as in unfairness is the same theme.

    this one is true in the sense that there were no men in my life that i could trust or go back to that i could trust as they had all abused or betrayed me. my real father disowned early on, stepfather was a pedophile and and not my real father. i can thank mightily my well-earned wisdom (for me personally, not others), i never married, at least i ceased this from continuing. the idea of marriage is horrifying to me as it conjures feelings of entrapment and abuse behind closed doors which i have experienced with most relationships eventually. but i do meet many males (of course women too) who pretend to be something that they are not which is mainly 'good people' but so do other people too. so, in this respect, that is common in the world.

    this indicates how one is often intuitively aware of their chart to some extent (whether you know or believe in astrology), even before you become consciously aware of your chart.

    my dejanira is in the sign of capricorn and my mother was a sun sign capricorn who acted as though she literally owned me like a personal slave just like her husband saw me as a sexual slave/object. his saturn house is in the sign of cancer (ruled by saturn) which is very destructive and oppressive placement to begin with, which makes direct contact and hits my ic (the most sensitive placement in a chart representing inner child/childhood within all of us).

    i have avoided capricorns (and cancers) all my life and dislike capricornian energy, even within my own chart which is influenced from the sun to the moon (absorbing mother's feelings). the cusp means a moving onto the next field meaning that was her identity, not mine.

    capricornian (ruled by saturn) energy feels like wet cement or dry concrete. cancer energy is 'swampy/boggy/primordial' in it's unevolved state and caring/mothering/sensitive in it's evolved state.

    this doesn't mean that there is something wrong with all capricorns or cancers (i am not saying that), it's just that with my particular chart configuration, it's not healthy for me personally to be involved with those who have capricorn or cancer placements.
     
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  23. birch Valued Senior Member

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    i also have chiron conjunct the ascendant because it's on the cusp so it makes contact with both signs. my chiron is in aries and my ascendant is at 29 degree axis of aries/taurus.


    this ends up happening until you become conscious and aware of (to offset or change direction) and why you are attracting certain people to you.

    often, when one has been abused or unloved as a child but exploitation that was inflicted on the child was told that it was love (lies/deceit), they end up believing unconsciously/subconsciously that love must be painful or that they must sacrifice or make painful compromises in order to be loved or acceptable or believe they are not lovable/worthy, so, again, believe they should make unfair compromises that would benefit another at the expense of themselves, because of the low self-esteem that has occurred due to a spiral of abuse and further damage which again lowers self-esteem.

    this type of energy/subconscious will be picked up by predators or those looking to parasitize or victimize or simply, those with little to no conscience or ethics.
     
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