What qualifies as science?

Discussion in 'General Science & Technology' started by Jozen-Bo, Apr 25, 2017.

  1. river Valued Senior Member

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    I simply asked the question , nothing more nothing less .
     
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  3. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Ok, a voice just makes a sound comprised of several wavelengths. So the term electronic voice phenomenon, is really saying the electro-chemical responses in certain areas of our brain respond (and mirror) certain logical and creates a melodically pleasing or soothing "sound experience". If your brain and mine respond to such sounds in a similar way, we have empathy, at least in that area. At that time our minds are in "synch" and we become of "one mind". At least at that time.

    This seems to me a common denominator of all sophisticated brains, both in animals and humans. Which suggests that this lump of neurons that controls both our conscious sensory experience of the outside world as well as the subconscious sensory control of our bodily functions, is already present in all sentient beings.

    We share the same reality in a different way from some of these ancient species, but the great variety of communication specific to a species comes from the extraordinary abilities of some of these mirror neuron net-works in programming and refining all kinds of exotic forms of communication and navigation systems, from the largest mammals to the smallest insects.

    But humans, perhaps because we are a social animal, even as part of a greater whole, tend to form cliques, as can be demonstrated by the myriad of causes and objectives, including this forum. Hopefully this discussion will trigger some of these mirror neural networks in a positive way.

    I qualified this as a new science and there is still much to be learned, but I have no doubt of the existence of a mirror neural network which assists us to adapt to life (social environment) itself. It just seems logical.....

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  5. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    I just had a thought bubble in that if possible you should conduct your experiment in a vacuum chamber (with your own self-contained breathing system) and you and equipment as isolated as possible from the surrounding walls / floor / ceiling

    Because sound doesn't travel in a vacuum and being isolated you will not experience vibrations as sound

    You may hear your breathing as sound but you can cancel that on your equipment by feeding it to the equipment 180° out of phase as noise cancelling feedback

    You might also consider making your vacuum chamber acoustically dead

    Worth a try right?

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  7. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    As Anil Seth mentioned you need no more than an total anesthesia, to become oblivious , a living but unaware organism. Then they bring you back to consciousness and you are a person again.
     
  8. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    A woo video?
     
  9. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    I'll have to ask my rocket scientist uncle who works for NASA

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  10. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    Certainly! Communication is conscious and unconscious. Like a bird flying the wrong unnatural way in the presence of a magnetic field or a cat with its whiskers cut down getting stuck in a pipe.
    Humans seem to be the worst at scrambling their own circuit boards. Alcohol, substance abuse, junk food, tv, social media, music etc. yet we also have the most power.
    Someone who is depressed may only need a little bit of excercise and nature to reset their mind (not brain) but most of the time I see these people stuck in a cycle. They see a doctor, they get their meds, they feel better for a while, keep doing the same things, get worse etc. The mind breaks down and then the body follows.
    The craziest thing about humans in a society is that people will literally fall into a bad vibration just because everyone else is doing it or listening to it.
    I don't fear the box, I just don't trust it.
    I'm not a conspiracy theorist but I prefer to observe from the outside, use a little bit of imagination, have a little bit of woo.
    I'd prefer to be wrong than thoughtless.
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    With objective thoughtfulness eventually you will get it right.

    p.s. migrating birds use the earth's magnetic fields to navigate. Humans need instruments because we lack that "intelligence".
     
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  12. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    Is the communication conscious or unconscious?
     
  13. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    Objective was born subjective lol
     
  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Both
    It depends on the type of communication. It can be conscious sensory input from the environment, the subconscious translation into bio-chemical signals, the subconscious retranslation by the mirror neural system into a conscious holographic simulation (experience) inside the brain.

    Or it can be subconscious communication between the state of health of the body and the control mechanisms which trigger involuntary electro - chemical responses to keep it alive. But that neural network does not have the ability "see" inside your body. To actually see the organs.

    What we know of the organs in our own bodies is from medical mannequins, not from self examination. We can consciously experience the external world, but we cannot experience our internal world, unless something goes wrong. That's remarkable.

    I think a rule of thumb is that wherever you find a neural network, there is communication between neurons and a processing program. In individuals this processing is done by a central organ(s). In hive insects it is the collective hive mind which acts as a brain, conscious and subconscious.
     
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  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Can't get the answer before asking the subjective question. Objectivity begins with thoughtful (the scientific method) research and verification.
     
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  16. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    Objective is subjective with the bullshit removed.
     
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  17. river Valued Senior Member

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    Objective , is when one is open to others thinking and can see the truth in the idea(s) of what this idea(s) is .

    Understand the idea(s) put forward .
     
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  18. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    Everything is subjective and open to opinion
     
  19. river Valued Senior Member

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    Such as ......

    A tree is a tree , water is water , soil is soil , rock is a rock etc.

    There is no confusing either with something else .
     
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  20. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    On a psychological level, say it's raining, you're going to have a different opinion if you had planned to go for a picnic or you were a farmer in a drought.
    Subjectivity is fundamental to the individual who doesn't follow the crowd into being upset but has their own positive outlook on life.

    Going back to the physical tree, is the tree real or is it a part of a complex computer program?
     
  21. river Valued Senior Member

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    Rain is rain , Nahor , there is nothing subjective about it . And rain is not psychological based.

    Don't get your point .
     
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  22. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    Sure each have their own subjective opinion

    Does not override the objective reality of raining

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  23. Nahor87 Registered Member

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    Rain is rain but the idea of rain can be positive or negative depending of the subjective opinion of the individual
     

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