What should be our GOAL of life ?

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by hansda, Feb 1, 2012.

  1. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Yes, the religion is the only costly endevear that doesn't pay for itself - money gets goods, greed runs economies, women give sex, territorialism gives some safety - Religion does nothing that is greater than its harms. Why? Because most of the previous uses of religion have been replaced - religion for socialization [Mass media], explainations [Science], treatment [medicine], applications [psychology] and guidance [philosophy]. Religion has truely become a relic, a dying zombie clutching onto anything that can help it survive for a little more before the belief in supernatural inevitably collapses in a progressing and develped post-capitalist/future society - this is why religions seems to be escalating, with fundamentalists and extremists having the second largest expansion in numbers [toped only by non-belief] in the last decade. This is also why it is becoming the single most unneccesary object potentially harmful. Other of the failing of human civilisation have two important features that religions dont - they have practicle uses and they are open to deliberation and compromise - this is why religion needs to recede, atleast into moderation.
     
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  3. river

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    war will end

    it will be the competition of bid

    true , but the past


    very old thinking
     
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  5. RJBeery Natural Philosopher Valued Senior Member

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    As an American child of the Cold War, I associate anti-religion proponents with Godless Communism, and I don't need to explain the death toll Communism has on a nation (at least in the 19th century). I would normally put some effort into explaining the social utility of organized religion but, as long as you aren't trying to steal the crutch of God from the masses and replace it with the crutch of a dependence upon a Socialist government, then I'm willing to grant that you've made a surprisingly powerful point.
     
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  7. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Socialism would be inappropriate - it such a idealist society as I described, there will be very few 'masses' or labourers, only specialists and experts, operatives and organisers. Only such a refined, develped and sophisticated society 'let go of God" and only such a society can ensure safely, progress and happiness for all members of the species - a requiste for any global community. Education is the single most important thing we can do today - we have our scientist, researchers and experts, but the public, the masses, the common man are far removed and often ignorant of what is happening at the cutting edge of our species' endeavours - this disconnect will become more and more pronounce and influential as numbers, ease of life and speed of development and progress increases - a period which may hold back the intelligencia from ushering in the future. Even in a space-faring species, the common and average representative is a person perhaps equivalent to the best of a couple centuries in the past - if we are to be a true "God species" the most dominant, successful, powerful, progressive and internally fully satisfied species on this planet, then the 6 - 6.5 billion of our 7 billion individuals have to become a part of better, advanced and more sophisticated enterprises within their chosen fields of the human endeavours.
     
  8. cosmictraveler Be kind to yourself always. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not anti-religion myself but just don't believe in supernatural beings that control everything including myself. Seeing that others enjoy believing in such nonsense seems totally irrelevant to me other than an occasional knock on my door from religious types trying to enjoy what their sense of happiness is. Everyone has to get trough life and some need something to believe in while I just believe in myself. Since I'm content with believing in myself that won't interfere with others who can't seem to do that and need support through their lives other than themselves. What others consider helpful isn't something I judge for they have the right to believe in anything they wish, just don't force it down others throats.

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  9. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. I am not against personal beliefs. I am against the institutions of beliefs, the spread and influence of belief on others and the costs and consequences of belief on the world.
     
  10. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    To define or decide about our goal of life , we should also try to understand about lifetime period available to us to achieve our goal .



    Does our life end with our death or it still continues in some other form ?



    Does life enter into another cycle of birth and death ?
     
  11. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    Good question.

    Indeed, what we believe or choose to be the goal of our life will have to do with what we think "life" is.


    Because to set for ourselves a goal that is very difficult to accomplish within 60 years or so, is to set ourselves up for disappointment.
     
  12. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    But being against the "spread and influence of belief on others and the costs and consequences of belief on the world" is more than just a personal belief, given that it is aimed at other people.


    IOW, you want other people to change,
    so that you can feel safe and comfortable.
     
  13. keith1 Guest

    Steps:
    1) Establish
    2) Support
    3) Expand

    Establish a minimum level of "globally acceptable lifestyle output" (GALO) for all individuals, universally volunteering all efforts to direct all excess assets to:

    --life-length extension, increase obsolescence of natural death, genetic and other physiological advancement to forwarding GALO.
    --extending GALO motives, methods, and environments into outer space, to increase new territories/frontiers needed to support a rapidly expanding population, inevitable with the life extension processes.
     
  14. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    And what to do with all that time and energy then?
     
  15. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    No wynn, I am simply for the right of people to be free of the beliefs of others. I dont want others to change, I just want them to stop trying to change others. That is not relevant to my comfort but it is our right.
     
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    Play, Fun, Have my parents around longer to enjoy their great-great-great grandchildren. (Note: My parents are dead, and I will probably not realize my 300th birthday--you people are too slow to act--not my fault).
     
  17. keith1 Guest

    You will have to tighten that philosophy a bit...what is worse:
    --You refusing to change, wasting their precious time.
    --You trying to change (instruct) the "impulsive instructionalists".
    --Everybody living a lie.
     
  18. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    What reason is there to believe that such freedom is even possible?


    To be free from the beliefs of others would require that nobody ever say or do anything to begin with.


    That is trying to change them.


    Rights have everything to do with comfort.


    Do you currently feel safe and comfortable?
    If no, why not?
     
  19. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Oh sorry - I need to be more clear. Others should not impose their beliefs, they are free to accept that. So its okay for them to say "We believe in unicorns" but not "the unicorn needs you". This is why I can never, in good conscience, become a strong atheist, even if I were to act as a militant one - I can say "I dont believe you, not enough evidence" but I cannot say "You are wrong".

    Only to the extent described above.


    Ok, agreed.

    Why do you think so?
     
  20. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    People can and will say to you whatever they want to say.

    They can say to you "Give me your internal organs" or "Kneel before me!" or "Accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, or burn in hell for all eternity!" - or "The unicorn needs you."
    They can say to you "You are wrong" and "You are an idiot."

    While sometimes, you can hope to turn them over to the law for what they say, but on principle, you need to develop internal resources for dealing with such things.
    You can't afford to go blank just because someone said something to you.

    Your campus counsellor should be able to provide you some materials on assertiveness.



    I asked you whether you currently feel safe and comfortable, and if not, why not.
     
  21. aaqucnaona This sentence is a lie Valued Senior Member

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    Those are [most of them] activity suggestions or opinions. I meant it in the context of theological assertions - the assertion to a child that God is real, that the child is a sinner, that God is a man with an elephant's head, that non-believers are to be killed, that your protestant friends will burn in hell and so on.

    Yes I do. I am doing great, I dont have any real problems and I am enjoying my life.
     
  22. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

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    So what is wrong with those assertions?
    Can you elaborate?


    You have only unreal problems, eh.

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  23. Arioch Valued Senior Member

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    @wynn --

    Well for starters they're completely baseless. Beyond that though they tend to kill empathy towards out-groups by dehumanizing them(they worship a false god so they're willfully denying christ so they're the worst kind of human, barely human at all). Beyond even that though it teaches that the ultimate moral authority in the universe is demonstrably evil and uncaring.

    And, of course, none of this even covers the psychological damage that threats of hell can do to a child.

    Yeah, that's a basic list, I'm sure that I can come up with a few more things wrong with such assertions is you really want me to.
     

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