What will cause human's extinction?

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  1. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    The human race itself.
     
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  3. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i wonder how much trolling is in the nature of the question

    the rich elite believe they will survive

    so the question is in reality quite different to what it initially appears to be

    the real question is more soo a 2 part question

    1 what will happen to the billions of working class people who will die ?
    2 what will the culling of billions of humans be like and what type of culture and society will that create and endorse ?

    the real question sitting underneath the lies and cult like indoctrination is vastly more difficult for the average person to mentally or emotionally process.

    common social morality dictates that such a question should be immediately invalidated
    and this invalidation serves the existing elitists and the mass populations lies and fake reality they wish to live out like a in church theatre.

    admittedly, pretending people are not suffering around you while they suffer and die is a critical aspect of human development and has allowed the species to stave off extinction of the intellectual human psyche/mind.
     
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  5. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    OK, let's ask this question in context of evolution and natural selection. There should be plenty examples of what happens when nature forces a complete reorientation of lifestyle of a species, due to the dominance of another invasive species.

    Humans are an invasive species, a parasite which alters and destroys more than it returns to the host.
    The end result is the death (or depletion) of the host.
     
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  7. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    which other species apart from beavers and sea urchins wipe out their own habitat without self(disease) or overt dictatorial regulation ?

    claytons speciation of darwinism dichotomy ?

    when they are indoctrinated with religious over population
    greed boom n bust economic morality
    and psychopathy to lack empathy toward other life forms

    you are far better off simply posting your point than attempting to conjure a position by me.
     
  8. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    You posed the questions. I merely offered my viewpoint.

    The term invasive species is not based on a species wiping out it's own environment. An invasive species is the invasion of a predatory species into a new habitat and wiping out all its native population.
    Are Humans an Invasive Species?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invasive_species

    Are Humans themselves an Invasive Species?
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/are-humans-an-invasive-species-42999965/

    Sounds like we need to include humans as an "invasive species". We meet all the requirements.....

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  9. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i took your term parasite more literally than you intended.

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    we are the only species capable of changing our environment equally to changing all other species environments, thus our ability to invade is total.
    though one would have to define a sense of naturality to a specific habitation zone.
     
  10. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree.
    All habitation zones are suitable for humans because we can alter (just about) any environment to suit.

    The problem with humans is "greed", a vice not found elsewhere on earth. We take more than we are entitled to and in the end we'll have to pay the piper for our wanton excesses. The concept of accumulating wealth without beneficial returns is peculiarly human. Even the honeybee pollinates as it searches for nectar.

    Invasive species deplete the environment due to unrestricted growth in population (no natural enemies). Humans don't breed fast enought to pose a numerical threat (current growth rate is 1% or 70 year doubling time) .

    Our ability to acquire and manufacture stuff, without regard to damage to the environment gives us the ability and the incentive to keep piling up useless wealth, to which we are not naturally entitled. Nature seeks balance between environment and inhabitant. Man seems to be exempt from this natural restriction and is the cause for its own demise.
    Result, manmade 6th Extinction Event.

    Amazing that 8 billion people are able to clear cut thousands of acres of beneficial forests (which scrub the air from CO2 and contribute Oxygen), then pollute the air and oceans with harsh chemicals and useless waste products. This is a clear path to destruction of our "common" environments and the tell-tale signs are alrerady evident.
    https://www.worldometers.info/
     
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  11. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    such a vast amount of stuff in the subject and your post
    so im picking a few things to avoid sitting here typing endlessly

    im not entirely sold on the greed concept of a human attribute
    though given your word choice "vice" a feel distinctly more comfortable
    i would liken it to a mental disorder
    like hoarding
    hoarding has delivered survival principals
    however hording the black plague doesnt

    this human psychological contrast between minimalism and hoarding is quite fascinating
    though i do not wish to give away any ideas or inside psychological knowledge to subversives & degenerates(some of which read these boards).

    anywho ...
    moving along

    greed an addiction
    sex an addiction
    profit an addiction
    etc etc add nauseum

    anthropologically we are skirting the question about consciousness of a species to manage its birth rate and food source
    i think humans are the only species capable

    irony
     
  12. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    I agree, it is an extreme and abberant application of a sound survival strategy.
    Yes, preparing for "lean" times is a sound survival strategy. But hoarding a thousand years of supplies, when you only live 70 years is extreme, wasteful, and often result in harsh competition for the left-over scraps, by less "fortunate" individuals. Competition causes wars (of various kinds).
    YES.
    It is one of the bible's great moral messages. The "seven deadly sins" and the "seven virtues" neatly sum up the natural weaknesses and strengths in humans as compared to other evolved species.
    I agree, our ability to artificially alter our environment, brings a great responsibility, which we have completely skirted, due to greed.

    But living outside natural laws brings a price. In the end mankind may just be an evolutionary "cul-de-sac". Natural selection does not "select for strenght", it selects for "weakness". It's a beautiful mathematical pattern, eventually resulting in "symmetry" and balance between natural "supply and demand".

    This is why the locust is a dreaded insect, but they only swarm under very specific circumstances. Humans (as an invasive species) swarm continuously and make all occupied lands inhospitable to all other species which compete for natural resources.
    Humans are the dread creature to all other living organisms.

    The extinction rate of other large (and small) animals is alarming.
     
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  13. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    i believe the native americans lived for thousands of years quite sustainably.

    life span has double since

    yet invasive puratin white settlers, aside from infecting them, out breed them by having a higher breeding rate
    the puratins were anti sex unless it was for breeding and their culture was to over populate as much as possible

    this is quite different from a sustainable culture

    the mental illness came from hard core christian conservatives seeking to culturally wipe out all other populations and cultures
    this was clearly defined and proclaimed in churches and scripture etc
    some southern churches still preach it.
     
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  14. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    This may well be the greatest threat the Earth's habitants are facing.
    And we have no clue as to what will happen when the earth's ecosystem is deprived of it's natural care-takers.

    Humans certainly have not been up to the task so far. Humans are greedy.

    That's why we are experiencing the initial effects of the "ongoing sixth extintion event"
     
  15. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    They were not greedy! Native Americans practised 'conservation" long before Europe even had formed a concept of the moral responsibility to "conserve the natural beneficial state of the earth's ecosystem".
    Not true, people do not live longer today than before. The bulk rise in "average age" is due to increased survival rate of very young children. More births survive the early years, which brings up the (false) "average".
    There are many examples of native americans to living well beyond 100 years.

    It is true that today people live a few years longer by artificial means. We even keep brain- dead persons alive by mechanical means, for months, even years. But does that count as "living longer"?
    I said before that man is an invasive species. That is incorrect.
    It is the European settlers that were the 'invasive species". The analogy holds in all respects. Think about it.

    Native Americans never practised invasive behaviors. Their religion was 'harmony, preservation and communication with Nature". Native Americans practised conservation long before the European influx of "invasive humans".

    The Nisqually, a salmon fishing tribe, always returned the first caught salmon back to the water, thereby insuring that at least several salmon would reach their inland spawning grounds, insuring the future of the salmon population for thousands of years.

    Today salmon are a threatened species that need to be protected from "overfishing" by commercial enterprises.
    I agree completely.
    And oddly, the "divine" command to be good stewards of the earth was and still is completely being ignored. A grave "sin". In those days, if anyone qualified for admittance in heaven it was the Native American.
    Go figure.
     
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  16. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    did you see who won the race between themselves ?
     
  17. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    anthropoligically ...
    there are several species which probably have an innate drive to function as a form of greed which has an over all negative impact on long term survival
    this is where predation fits.

    the entropic process of killing off a species that is normaly set to over populate

    life being what it is(on/in earth), most of the time another life form fills the ecological gap
    unles it is radioactive fall-out or extreme chemical toxin
    however even some extreme toxins still have fungus close to it.

    humans are their own predators
    have been for tens of thousands of years

    the complex issue is the assignment of population proxy legitimacy to those whom are a extreme minority who seek to enact against the mass population consciousness.

    it is an odd thing
    to assert consciousness and then have legitimizing morality purported to be its own best interest.

    i was just pondering how many politicians have more than 10 million in debt or assets
    they must be a very small minority of the population

    less than 1% of the human population whom control the other 99%
    yet their reality is in-congruent to the majority existence of the species.
    they are by virtue of their own actions, a self chosen top predator of humans who seek to live outside the laws and habitat of the primary population

    now as we look at this in the main stream american western culture model
    of idolizing the rich un caring self interested top predators...
    now think about the mass shootings in the usa
    they are copying the top role models

    the ideological assertion that being a mass murderer is the only solution to the mass population having no self authority
    the perfect disorder to the crisis

    the junky has been role modeled to believe one more even bigger hit will be when they give up


    quite odd indeed
     
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  18. wegs Matter and Pixie Dust Valued Senior Member

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    zombies
     
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  19. Baldeee Valued Senior Member

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    I was going to say that some time ago, but chickened out!

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    I’ll plump for...
    Stupidity.
    Something like the last cloning vat breaking down and no one knowing how to fix it.

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  20. RainbowSingularity Valued Senior Member

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    telephone sanitizers ?
     

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