When am I not human anymore?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Beer w/Straw, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Michael 345 30th March coming up - Well behaved Friday Valued Senior Member

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    I understand that to be a RESTRICTION placed on others NOT a right granted to your body

    But if you can find as a right granted, by law, to your body I would appreciate a link

    NO. Your will is only post death instruction request (strong request but non binding) on how you would prefer your estate to be divided up but can be overturned by the courts on various grounds

    Even the disposal of your body, ie organ donation, can be objected to by relatives

    Less contraversal would be if you're wishes contravened some regulation ie you would like your ashes to be scattered in your favorable park. Cannot see that happening

    Most areas would have regulations governing the disposal of bodies which would almost certainly override your request

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  3. Michael 345 30th March coming up - Well behaved Friday Valued Senior Member

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    Since you are dead and no longer in controlling of your body you may not be able to remain silent

    The fermentation of fluid in your gastric tract can lead to burping and farting

    Best to apologise before you die

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  5. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    Well, I got convicted of indecent exposure, theft, trespassing and whatever charge pooping on someone's lawn was... The judge didn't buy my defense that: "I wasn't thinking at the time".

    My dog didn't get charged with anything for doing the exact same things (neither did he have any complaints about the sausage).
     
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  7. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    We are on a tangent now, as to what the legalities are.

    The fact remains, a dead human is still a human.
    I don't know what makes you think it would change to something else.
    To what? An anvil? A gerund?
     
  8. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    hmmmmmm...

    If an amoeba ate my brain less one cell, would I really be human or more just a human brain cell?
     
  9. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You would be a human with no brain.
     
  10. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    What about two connected brain cells?
     
  11. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    You'd still be a human with no brain.

    Earthworms have lots and lots of connected cells, but it's still not a brain - it's a ganglion.

    A roundworm has about 300 neurons.
    The crustacean stomatogastric ganglion has about 30. We're still trying to model this one.

    https://www.quora.com/What-creature-has-the-most-simple-brain
     
  12. Michael 345 30th March coming up - Well behaved Friday Valued Senior Member

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    Dead and not human (dispite DaveC426913

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  13. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    If not human, what is it?
     
  14. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    OK, if my brain was eaten less a brain cell, and that cell was given life support outside the body, and the body was given the electrical impulses or whatever to keep it functioning, which part is human, or are there now two existing humans from one?
     
  15. Michael 345 30th March coming up - Well behaved Friday Valued Senior Member

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    Dead body. No rights. No abilities. Being human requires concessness, how ever small.

    Beer w/Straw's two connected neurones would not be enough to render a body to life, hence that body would be a dead body

    The dead body is no more a human in the same way as a dead parrot is not a parrot



    Thanks Monty

    Mr. Praline: 'E's not pinin'! 'E's passed on! This parrot is no more! He has ceased to be! 'E's expired and gone to meet 'is maker! 'E's a stiff! Bereft of life, 'e rests in peace! If you hadn't nailed 'im to the perch 'e'd be pushing up the daisies! 'Is metabolic processes are now 'istory! 'E's off the twig! 'E's kicked the bucket, 'e's shuffled off 'is mortal coil, run down the curtain and joined the bleedin' choir invisible!! THIS IS AN EX-PARROT!!

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  16. Michael 345 30th March coming up - Well behaved Friday Valued Senior Member

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    I don't know of any mechanical / electrical equipment which could / would be available to keep a body without a brain functioning. It might be theoretical possible with a collection of equipment but very unpractical. So ruling that part out it is not human

    Brain cell much more easy to maintain functional but in and of itself not human

    Two from one your talking cloning

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  17. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    If someone had to make a choice of saving the life of one brain cell compared to that of an entire human body without any brain, what would someone choose?

    Can someone empathize with a body without a brain?

    :EDIT:

    Can a human body without a brain have even any semblance of emotion at all?
     
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  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, a police officer has absolutely no way of reporting the distinction between "a dead body that used to be a human" and "a dead body that used to be a parrot".
    They're both The Same Thing - A Dead Body, just that one weighs 150lbs and one weighs 150oz.

    What does the officer write in his book?

    It will be very awkward when the officer is testifying on the stand three months down the road, and the prosecutor asks him
    "What is the victim's name, officer?"
    "Polly."
    "Last name?"
    "No last name."
    "No last name? Everyone has a last name!"
    "Not this dead body."
    "Why would this person not have a last name?"
    "It's not a person; it's a dead body. As for why it had no last name, I wish I knew myself." : scratches chin : "I suspect it may have something to do with the fact that - when it was a alive - it was a parrot. But of course that's not relevant now, since it is merely an indiscriminately dead body - neither human nor parrot nor anything else."
    "Are you saying that we have been in trial for the last three months over a parrot????"
    "It's not a parrot; it's a dead body."
    "We assumed it was human! Why didn't you tell us!!"
    "Nobody ever asked me what the dead body was before it was dead, (and even if they did, I have no way of telling them. After all, what's the difference between one dead body and another?). It's just a dead body; nothing more."

    Silly? Yup.

    As silly as the idea that a dead human is not still a human.
     
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    Prolly Polly ?
     
  20. Michael 345 30th March coming up - Well behaved Friday Valued Senior Member

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    So this is a human?

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    The cremated ashes in this urn. This is a human?

    A dead human body are human REMAINS, and his / her name was / used to be / formally known as ...........

    They are both human REMAINS

    The police senerio not worth a comment except to say not worth a comment

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  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, HUMAN remains.

    We agree.

    So, no counter-argument. Good.
     
  22. Michael 345 30th March coming up - Well behaved Friday Valued Senior Member

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    NO

    Humans REMAINS. Emphasis on REMAINS or what is left over AFTER the human ASPECTS have departed primarily the aspect of being alive

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  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So, human remains.

    They're not parrot remains are they?
     

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