When am I not human anymore?

Discussion in 'Ethics, Morality, & Justice' started by Beer w/Straw, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    You are the one who appears to have such a low opinion of police that they are unable to distinguish between a dead human body and a dead parrot body

    This part shows I did not equate the two

    And you seem fixed on emphasing human and not REMAINS

    I would contend that if police found a skeleton and called for a ambulance to transport "the human I have just found to hospital" he / she would not last much longer on the force

    And I would be interested if the REMAINS of Tutankhamun welds as much power as he did when alive ruling Egypt since you contend he is still human

    Looks back I note you sidestepped the question "are the skeleton and the ashes in the urn two humans?" Could they get together for a few beers and a game of darts and reminisce over the fun times they had when alive?

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  3. river

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    Ah , abortion , is what your getting at , true ?
     
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  5. river

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    Further ;

    We are not Human anymore when we take a life .

    And for those that have , you have been manipulated into doing so , by religion and/or government .
     
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  7. river

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    Here's the thing ; most people do not want war of any kind ; it is the OLD FOGGIES of the world that think they know better . These are the people who are not Human any more .

    If I were to take 10 middle east youths , 25 to 30yrs of age and gathered them in the same room , and said , devise a peace contract between all middle east countries , they would do it in a day . They and their families are tired of death , fear , lack of food , lack of empathy etc.

    It is the everyday people , Young and Old , the common people , that pay the price of old , power , egotistical , money hungry few .
     
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  8. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Brain cell. Less upkeep and possibly a use could be found for a brain cell in a lab

    Difficult and I would be unsure somebody could. Without a brain the body is dead. If you are thinking of life support equipment the equipment is only preserving the body parts not life. It's not unreasonable to use the equipment to conserve body parts from deteriorating until a new home (body) to replace a faulty part in the other body

    If the body is in a condition such that no parts can be salvaged I would be sure no life support equipment would be used

    NO

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  10. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Indeed, the police are not dumb - and neither are you.

    You just acknowledged that a dead human body is a dead human body whereas a dead parrot body is a dead parrot body.

    QED.
     
  11. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    Still not saying anything about skeleton, urn of a cremated human body and the mummified body of Tutankhamun and if you consider those REMAINS to be human with what ever rights those humans are due

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  12. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Because those are not part of the discussion. You are attempting to move the goalposts.

    The discussion - the one I have been having - was about whether a human - a living human, that dies - is still human. They are.
     
  13. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    And all 3 have died

    So it would appear you are contending recently deceased humans are still human
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    later what?

    If that is your position how long after they die do dead humans lose their human status?

    My stand is human status is lost as soon as death occurs ie the body is no longer human but reclassified as human REMAINS ≠ human

    Yours appears to be a dead human body is = to human (abet with reduced rights)

    Correct me if I am wrong

    Let's take Beer w/Straw out of her suspense with a settled position or let her decide which she prefers to believe

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  14. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Who cares? That wasn't the question.

    I've never claimed that a human stays human forever. All your examples shoot wide of that point.
     
  15. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    OK

    Today 2nd February 2018 local clock shows 12:28 a few hours ago I spoke to a couple of very nice lawyers (Australia)

    I explained the situation of this thread. Couple of points came out which I had not considered

    Immediately upon death a person's RESIDUAL RIGHTS (note RESIDUAL RIGHTS) along with RESPONSIBILITIES, pass (note PASS) to the deceased estate

    Residual rights consists of any depts owed are paid into the estate
    Residual responsibilites of any debts owing are paid out from the estate

    The residual rights do have a variable life span depending on local laws and regulations

    From that would you be happy to contend the body ceases to be human at the expiry moment of residual rights?

    My position stands but I don't have a problem with residual rights - passing onto the estate - NOT held by corpse

    I specifically asked about your one brain cell body question

    One of the lawyers said you would become a lawyer

    Nice you have a profession pathway

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  16. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    There are things which seem, at 1st thought, to define human yet are not shared by all we consider humans. The only 2 which come to my mind presently which are definitely required to be human are being hominid & being alive. For any who believe in an afterlife, I mean alive in a physical body. A soul would not be human even if it once resided in a human body.

    A dead body definitely is not a human. It is fine to refer to it as a human body, meaning a body which was human. It is silly to speak of dead people. People are living humans. A dead cat body is not a cat. All animals are alive by definition. An animal is a living organism. Humans are animals.

    Police usually refer to it as a corpse or a body. If they have the name, they often use it partly for emotional reasons & partly for consistency & facility in the investigation.
    Even if there were laws stating rights of dead bodies and/or referring to them as human or people, that would not change the definitions of human, people, animal, alive & dead.

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  17. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    I've not found any

    My limited understanding about laws regarding dead bodies is the treatment of same, NOT rights of the body

    As explained by, the somewhat bemused lawyers I spoke to today when I explained the thread subject, the body does have RESIDUAL rights, and responsibilites, which at the moment of death transfer immediately to the estate held by the person when alive

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  18. Beer w/Straw Transcendental Ignorance! Valued Senior Member

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    The difficulty lies in what I believe - I don't know if my beliefs are more than one brain cell or not?
     
  19. StrangerInAStrangeLand SubQuantum Mechanic Valued Senior Member

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    ^^^
    It takes more than 1 brain cell for a human to be alive. What the minimum is I do not know.

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  20. Michael 345 Bali in Nov closer Valued Senior Member

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    They are more than one brain cell

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