When The Earth Was In The First Heaven

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  1. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    We can reason out this question? How can God visit the earth and have a relationship with the beings living on that earth and still maintain being the light source of the earth?

    God was the light source to the earth, when it was in the first heaven.
     
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  3. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    The "first" heaven? How many are there?

    And which God, specifically?
     
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  5. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    The earth is in a second heaven right now. God’s body is composed of a substance called spirit. The life God has within himself produces some kind of light that his body cannot contain. The light God’s life produces cannot be controlled, it just shines all the time.
     
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  7. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Please show that
    A) "god" exists.
    B) "god" does actually visit the Earth.

    And that a "relationship" exists.

    Um, that's the Sun. You know, the big shiny thing in the sky during day time.
     
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  8. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    No need to prove anything, because we are going to start talking about God before there was a heaven. This is common sense reasoning, if you have a belief, you might not what to learn this subject. This is science 101.
     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Really?
    What's "common sense" about it? Where's the "reasoning"?
    And no, "god" (and anything to do with that topic[1]) isn't science.

    1 Other than investigations into WHY people believe, of course.
     
  10. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    Who cares what a person believes. What a person believes gets in the way of science.
     
  11. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Well apparently you do: given the OP.

    Obviously: given - again - the OP.
     
  12. sideshowbob Sorry, wrong number. Valued Senior Member

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    So drop God and heaven from your argument; they're just beliefs. What do you have left?
     
  13. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Does 'God' even exist?

    If so, then is 'God' located in a limited region of space and time, such that 'he' can move around from place to place? (I don't think that most theists would agree to that.)

    What do you mean when you say that God is "the light source of the earth"? I thought that was the Sun. Are you using the phrase "light source" in some different way to mean something else?

    How many heavens do you believe in? Where did you hear about all these heavens? Why do you believe they exist?
     
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  14. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    I don't think so.

    It reminds me of some kind of gnostic-style belief in where the universe emanates like light from a divine Source on high, and manifests in a series of progressively lower and less-divine heavenly realms, until we get to the world of matter, down here at the bottom.

    That's not science, that's ancient mythology from late antiquity.
     
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  15. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    So far, everything you've written seems to be based on nothing more than what you believe.

    And since what you believe and imagine appears to be so distant and remote from what the rest of us think and believe, communicating with you is going to be very difficult.
     
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  16. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not even sure where he gets this crap about "when Earth was in the first Heaven", since it's not from the Bible...
    It would help if he specified - as per Daecon's post - WHICH "god" (and "Heaven" etc.) he's talking about.
     
  17. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    Science would use Paul's writings to prove religion is junk. Religion is in the way, because of all the afterlife stories religion daydreams about.
     
  18. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    Science would say everything going on, is going on inside of a structure. There is a structure according to science 101.
     
  19. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    That is religion, Paul runs all that religion out of science.
     
  20. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    A) Yes B) Yes
    Yes that relationship exist . He put his spirit into Yahshua. Beside God is the creation . Do you have any proof contrary ? So show it
     
  21. newnature Registered Senior Member

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    Science would want us to start with Genesis 1:1, there is history about how this became without form and void.
     
  22. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    God is the creation so were ever you look the hand of God is there.
     
  23. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    This is an unsupported claim
    Please show the "science" behind Paul's words.

    All of these are just claims.
    Please provide the evidence.

    I don't need any.

    Wrong on at least two counts:
    1) Science doesn't consider Genesis.
    2) Genesis has not been shown to be history.
     
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