Who are we?

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  1. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    YES.

    It is our navel portion.

    I have no idea. I dont know if the current physics has answer for this.

    It is believed there is fire element in the navel. As fire can not burn fire; so the navel portion remains un-burnt.
     
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  3. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Not very scientific to think that there is a fire in the belly when people die. Do you have any physical evidence of this phenomenon?
     
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  5. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    Yaa. It is not scientific to think that way.

    Yaa. It is a very common ritual in Hindu custom. This unburnt navel is collected afterwards and immersed in a holy river.

    It has only evidence but no supporting physics.
     
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  7. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    Is there an underlying religious explanation in Hindu culture; some reasoning why it might be the case?
     
  8. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    That I already told you. They believe there is fire element in the navel.
     
  9. quantum_wave Contemplating the "as yet" unknown Valued Senior Member

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    It sounds like the kind of mystery that could be solved by science. I would be surprised if science professionals were at a loss about it after proper investigation. Let's look at their scientific notes, explanations, and the nature of on-going research. They wouldn't just stop trying to understand it.
     
  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    This is ridiculous. All parts of the body burn if property burned (as we do in cremation). If some parts remain if you just torch someone that's irrelevant. In that case I'm sure the navel isn't the only part remaining.
     
  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    No, that is not what I am saying. And no, it is not really mysterious, if you understand thermodynamics properly. Though it is - in my opinion - marvellous, like so many things in nature. (Please note the distinction between marvellous and mysterious - it's quite important if you want to avoid woo.

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    What I am saying is that the entropy of a living cell is lower than that of the components of used to build it. But of course it takes expenditure of energy to build it, which involves a far greater increase in entropy in the surrounding environment than the decrease involved in organising of the cell.

    You get a slightly similar thing when a crystal of ice forms: its entropy is lower than that of the water it is built from (it is a more organised structure), but Latent Heat of Fusion is released, which is dissipated in the environment, leading to a net increase in entropy.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    “The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science. He to whom the emotion is a stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand wrapped in awe, is as good as dead —his eyes are closed. The insight into the mystery of life, coupled though it be with fear, has also given rise to religion. To know what is impenetrable to us really exists, manifesting itself as the highest wisdom and the most radiant beauty, which our dull faculties can comprehend only in their most primitive forms—this knowledge, this feeling is at the center of true religiousness.”


    Albert Einstein, Living Philosophies
     
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  13. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I am sure Einstein understood the difference between marvellous and mysterious.
     
  14. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    He never mentioned the marvelous. So he never made a distinction from the mysterious at all. That is your own distinction.
     
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  15. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    Great quote of Einstein about the mystery of Life.
     
  16. hansda Valued Senior Member

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    I dont know if science is already investigating this matter. I haven't seen any scientific explanation for this.
     
  17. birch Valued Senior Member

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    It is supernatural like gravity or 'the force' in star wars. Its that 'space' we know exists but dont know what it is. But it definitely exists, we know that much. So we put a placeholder and sticky note for later when we find the right puzzle piece that fits. Heh
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Good Lord no.

    Because metabolism is complex and once stopped cannot be restarted.

    Compare (simplistically to a siphon. It operates if set up properly, but once suction is lost; it does not restart.


    Without the energy from the sun, Earth will freeze, crops will die, food will vanish, we will starve, we will stop thinking.
     
  19. birch Valued Senior Member

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    It might be the water. It may be alive. Apparently it also carries memory imprints too.
     
  20. birch Valued Senior Member

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    Why do we need to eat? Why all these steps? Why dont we just get our energy from the sun?

    Evidently these are mediums, not the actual essence of what life is. Not even the conversion of energy can explain what life is.
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Because that would make us plants.

    Plants did just fine for hundreds of millions of years. They used the energy to slowly extract nutrients and build higher-energy molecules.And then - not insignificantly - they stored all that goodness in their bodies. But it wasn't enough energy to add frills like legs, eyes or brains.

    Eventually, some life forms were able to take advantage of the work that plants had already done. This richer, more abundant, more convenient supply of chemical energy meant that they could devote their energy budget to better ways of getting better food. They could be more complex, because they were fueled by pre-processed chemical energy that plants stored, just waiting for something to come along and take it away.

    Thus, eaters of plants (and later, eaters of eaters of plants) became more and more complex with all this extra energy they've stolen. One of the ways they became more complex was to become more intelligent.

    Note though that, it takes a lot of plants to make enough energy to support a plant-eater, and it takes a lot of plant-eaters to make enough energy to support eaters-of-plant-eaters. Which is why the ecosystem is distributed the way it is.
     
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  22. river Valued Senior Member

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    We Humans don't yet know who we are , yet .

    Human's have been interfered with , geneticly , psychologically , spiritualy , mentally and politically .

    We have been abused , and continue to be so , on all levels . Look at the above sentence .

    To know who we are , will take a break from our ancient past and present situation .

    The only way for Humanity to know who we are , is to take control of our future . Once done , then we will know who we are .
     
  23. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Oh yeah, one more tier.

    Humans are eaters of eaters of eaters of plants. (Then again, so are cetaceans, sharks, and a few other animals who eat other predators).
     

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