Who created Atheists?

And another stupid reply.
Being a theist or an atheist is a statement about a belief that you hold (or not).
E.g. I know I don't believe in god.

The question is "Do you believe in god?"
If you answer "yes" you're a theist.
If you answer "no" you're an atheist.

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Knowledge is a framework of a belief (or lack), but you don't have to have absolute knowledge to have a belief.

 

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But if they are both saying they "believe" then that means they dont know (for sure) so they are both the same.

 

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Just like you say "i believe it will rain tomorrow".

 

So we're all undecided, just not so much on the same thing.

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Both wrong.
Read my example: E.g. I know I don't believe in god.

You really do have trouble understanding the basics don't you?

 

No, you are perhaps undecided but many others here as well as myself are CERTAIN there is no god.

 

Can you say: I know there is no god? same for the Theist. Can the theist say: "I know there is a god". Then you are not a "believer". Just like you dont believe in the letter "A".

Its like saying: I know i believe it will rain tomorrow.

 

And perhaps I was being sarcastic. Wrong smilie I guess.

Trying to make the point that John is getting all tied up on labels and missing the meaning of them.

 

Still utterly wrong.
Being a theist/ atheist is a statement about whether or not one holds a particular belief, not about the subject of the belief itself.

Correct.
I know I believe that, but that belief may or may not be correct.
Do you see the difference? At all?

 

It goes with out saying that you know you believe...if you didnt you wouldnt believe. But making predictions can only be real if we can know the outcome. A meteorologist predicts the weather but if we never saw the day the prediction can com true then would there be meteorologists?

 

Forecast =/= prediction

For the record.

 

So what? You will know the forecast eventually...but while still alive.

 

It is NOT a prediction.
It is NOT a declaration that god does (or does not exist).
It is a statement about what you believe.

If I believe that god does exist then simply holding that belief is what makes me a theist.
If I do not believe then THAT makes me an atheist.

Has this begun to sink in?

 

Im good at philosophy.

 

Balls.
You're as crap at philosophy as you are at physics.
You're multi-subject ignorant.

 

There is a lot more to being an atheist or a theist than just a statement of belief.

If someone's day to day behavior does not reflect a particular system of convictions and values, then they cannot rightfully be considered adherents of that system.

 

Granted. But I was trying to keep it simple for John99's benefit. He had (and probably still is having) trouble with the concepts of theism/ atheism.

 

Because you were . You didn't just crawl out from under a rock like Mithra. I got a little secret that has been kept from you . Your Mommy and Daddy Made you . You have to ask them how they did it. I am not going to be the one to say it

 

There is a Mormon scripture that says something to the effect of ...."and then you endure to the end" - that "endure to the end" always struck me as a kind of "grit your teeth and bear it until the bitter end".

But later, as I investigated more into various religious teachings and practices, I didn't get the impression that the point would be that "endure to the end".

It is true that religions generally seem to offer everything right away, with nothing more to discover, no further revelation or anything of that kind.

But I found that, at least in some religions, this is just the beginning. The real journey is to apply the teachings, and see how your consciousness and day-to-day living changes.

It's not about figuring out whether God exists, whether Jesus is His son, whether God has a bluish complexion, whether there is karma and reincarnation etc..

It's more about taking a set of principles and practicing accordingly.