/// It is frigging obvious & you know it. You cannot do anything with, by, for, to or about what you do not know exists. You may as well try to ride an imaginary bicycle or unicorn. We may as well devote ourselves to preventing a dragon swallowing the planet. <>
In essence physics can only operate in ONE mode The mode it operates in is the only one possible due to its characteristics Sure you can play "what if" but reality says back "don't bother you are stuck with this" You can (might) consider some sort of duality, like mind / body as in characteristics / laws I don't buy either of those. In both situations the two supposed parts of the duality are melded together and inseparable Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Coffee time
No. This is a misunderstanding of the concept of free will. What you might ask instead is do we really have free will when we are created fallen. If there is original sin, then we are tainted with that, and our free will is actually not so free, we are biased towards sin.
/// Reminds me of those who say physics might be different in another universe. What they seem to not get is if so, there is some cause(s) for things to be 1 way there & another way here. <>
???? the other Universes has a female god so it is a lot more tidy No such thing as a astroid belt. It is all swept up No gas planets. Incense sticks everywhere That's different Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
And we find ourselves discussing products of fantasy. If there was no Adam and Eve where does that leave it? Anyways I really dont give a ratz I have no interest in fiction. Alex
No problems with speculation for me until the speculation is proclaimed fact and then I wonder why speculation is not qualified with a simple "but we dont really know". Alex
Maybe I'm a bit late to this one, but before I start, just to be clear, do you have problems with attributing a causeless cause to reality, or is this just another generic God beat-up?
Yes to both☺ I see the Universe as eternal which is my own idea and has no support but hey it fixes everything..no start no creator..it does makes sence that there was no start. Even as we see the big bang as a start we may only see the tip of the ice burg and we live in only one of those endless cycles..that would make sence wouldnt it..things come in cycles..look at the seasons cycles but they are eternal so no creator no designer. Alex
In short, whatever thinking you employ to entertain an eternal universe without cause is of the same sort one can employ when defining God by the same criteria.
Yes we are just making stuff up. I thought of another one... God actually came from the future to create everything. Alex
Whatever, but if you are comfortable with causeless causes in your own world view, it's clear the crux of the problem lies elsewhere.
I have a question if I may? As understand the religious people's position is god has exited for ever and had no cause Keeping that in mind has anyone asked? what brought god to a position I'll create a Universe and populate a world with humans Well you know the rest So I'll give you god I'll give you he has always existed I'll give you he had no cause I'll give you he created the Universe I'll give you everything in the bible is 100% accurate and a historical record of happenings Give me one thing what put the thought, item 4, into gods head? If religious have other terminology OK no problem use yours Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!
I am sure no one has asked but if he is into creating he is off somewhere else creating other interesting universes where he trials other things. I think the idea is you can make up whatever suits you and declare it fact because you know you are right... Alex
