Who is the agent inside each of us that's make decisions?

This is a rather confusing topic there is no clear answer in mainstream science. My earlier thread about this was not clearly defined I must admit. It was just more of my brainstorms.

I really wanted to inspire discussion about the operator of consciousness. Modern science claims we are nothing more than automatons. The scientific evidence seems to validate an idea I have but I have not shared it. It's in this article am going to post, the gist of it is the genetics of a person will influence how their conscious awareness will develop a bias towards specific personality traits. This matches up well with my idea am working on for conscious machines.

It seems this idea about us having no free will is dangerous I personal believe it's dead wrong. The evidence is bieng misinterpreted. If it's correct and we have no operator of free will then jails would be simply immoral.

There is something that's bieng overlooked and it has to do with the primary development of the bieng. Once the operator is located this will leave the door wide open for a road map to building conscious machines.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/proceed-your-own-risk/201311/do-we-have-free-will

We simply need a better theory that supports freewill because the current ones are in direct contracdiction to everything human society stands for. I know eveyone knows it's wrong we are capable of reaching wrong conclusions from misinterpreting the evidence. But still we have no free will so we are just fools I could potentially kill billions of people and then say it wasn't me because I have no freewill that's the stupidest thing I have ever heard. We have to do better than this current analysis is simply pathetic.

 

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Here is also another article that's vaguely related to this topic machine dreams. This is really interesting to me personally because in my image streams much of the visions I see with my eyes closed are similar to these pictures or depictions generated by the machine dreams.

Another interesting question I think that must be addressed. How does the brain generate images when our eyes are closed and we are dreaming? We are not receiving any external electromagnetic stimulation. Why isn't there any clear answer to this question if someone knows can they address it?
http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/trendin...-dream-about-in-trippy-photo-series-1.3123123

 

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And another stupid thing about this theory is that it's based on "belief" of all things how ironic. Am laughing my ass of right now. Never though I'd see the day of utter hypocrisy and stupidity. So if all "you" have to do is believe then "who" is doing the believing sounds like circular logic to me. The answer is staring at them in thier face but they refuse to acknowledge it, how unfaithful these "believers" are lol.

 

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Are you drunk?

 

What are you talking about?

 

What's wrong with the questions I am asking? Are they not valid? You usually have a lot to say Bells and usually produce lengthy replies. I think this topic of the operator of concious decision making is a valid one no matter how abstract it may be...

 

I also like the purple font very royal of you lol.

 

There seems to be no easy way to talk about these abstractions. There seems to be no consensus or clear logical explainations either. All am getting is some sort of responses as I am treated like some sort of alien invader.

 

Ok I will try and focus in on the exact points I want to discuss I am not trolling I am truly sincere about this discussion. Maybe something can be gained.

- In conscious biengs and even perhaps animals "who" is the operator that directs that bieng?
- In conscious Mammals how are they able to generate fully visual images no different from waking awarness when their eyes are closed and not receiving any electromagnetic stimulation from an outside source?
-How are people able to generate fully formed visions like an image stream when their eyes are closed and some when thier eyes or open but they are not receiving any electromagnetic stimulation from an outside source?


Are these not valid questions, must everyone submit to perpetual boredom limited to talking about things that can be described in descreet steps?

If these matters were clearly defined and had some clear logical consensus, then I would be researching them on my own. I won't feel the need to start a disscusion on a topic there is tonnes of conclusive information on. The current leading scientific authors seem to be of no valuable to my specific enquires.

 

Maybe some here know better but maybe not I guess all I am getting is trolling responses like "are you drunk" "what are you talking about" like I am not speaking English some how conversing in a strange alien language.

 

It could certainly be an interesting topic without all the combative 'pathetic', 'ass-laughing', 'stupidity', 'hypocrisy', 'lol' and 'trolling' mentions.

But this is presented as a flame war from the get-go. No good can come of this.

I'm out.

 

Ok fair enough I appreciate your honesty I should not have inserted my personal bias into the discussion. At least I give you credit for attempting a sane response.

 

I am actually surprised the readers were so sensitive and took my off hand remarks as an attack and invitation to a troll war in which I had no intention of participating in if one were so to happen. I will keep that in mind for future references.

 

I wish Rpenner posted about these things he seems to be the most sane member here, and possibly the most intelligent just look at his post and how he interacts with all the other members and he is also very humble about it. I think Rpenner is Japanese that would explain it all. But I guess he is still human and he will admit like the rest of us he does not know everything. This is why I think these discussions are important.

 

It would be a shame if this thread turns into a troll war as that was not my intention at all. Why all the pent up anger? I am not your enemy...Hmm.

 

This is a discussion forum, not a blog.

 

Not sure I agree with your hypothesis. Though I believe we inherit an emotional capacity from our genetics, I think personality evolves from experience. I have three older brothers. We look similar in many ways, but each has his own personality and opinions. As an example, one brother finds himself picking up the house when something is cluttered; while the other brother is perfectly comfortable sitting with the mess. It doesn't stop there. The personality traits vary greatly, judging from my experience.

I believe the mind and personality are elastic, adapting over time with each new experience. Whether we choose to be who we are, or whether we are the product of our history, I'm not totally certain. I'm also not certain a person is genetically defined one way or the other where personality is concerned. If so, we would identify the criminal gene and eliminate it.

 

All these things are addressed in the idea am working on. I fell very confident I will be able to build them. And you are correct in your analysis. But the idea I have tackles this problem with a technical blueprint.

 

I basically use my primitive theory to make predictions and it guides me to look for the right information I need to complete the task it's actually working out very well for now. You see I have been working on this for 22 years. So I finally cracked some of the major barriers although there may be more to come but they will not be the same kind.