Who is your least favourite historical figure and why?

Discussion in 'History' started by jennyRater, Jan 24, 2005.

  1. Muhlenberg Registered Senior Member

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    River Ape...After the Jewish-led (General Shimon Kirvoshein) Soviet invasion of Poland in September 1939 about one million Poles were rounded up by the Jewish-led NKVD and deported to the Gulags

    Met one of those deportees in Florida. A very young school teachers when he was arrested. And yes, Polish Jews who supported Stalin turned him in. He told me how on the cattle car, a Jewish man from his school kept saying, "I know why they took you, but why me? Why me?" And it was true, most of those sent to the camp were Catholic.

    When Germany invaded, he was released from the Gulag to fight in the Red Army. At the end of the war, he made his way to the Allied zone where he married at Polish lady whose husband of three months had been murdered in the Katyn forest.
     
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  3. Raven Registered Senior Member

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    I hate Abraham Lincoln. He was a hippocrit and had many despotic tendancies that history convienently overlooked. He never intended to free the slaves until his hands were tied. It seemed the only black slaves were freed because Native American slaves were still being used for years after they were supposed to be released. That leads to another on my hate list, Father Junipero Serra. If he's ever made a sain it will be that of slave drivers.
     
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  5. Brutus1964 We are not alone! Registered Senior Member

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    The answer for the most despicable historical figure hands down is Karl Marx. His evil ideas have caused over 100 million deaths. I am sure there is a extra hot space in Hell for him right now. His communist manifesto is a Satanic document that should have been consigned to the sewers of history. Excrement is better than his ideas. At least excrement when used for fertilizer causes good things to grow. His brand of excrement only destroys and poisons minds. His ideas spawned other evil monsters like Lenin, Stalin, Pol Pot, and Castro.
     
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  7. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    That's a big question, and there are other threads on the Jews, so maybe we should not let the subject entirely take over this thread. But you have actually produced some evidence against them yourself.
    More than half the people pictured on that link are Jews!
     
  8. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    Marx didnt mean to cause all those deaths, if you can say its his fault the way people used hsi teachings. The others you name DID mean to do it.

    but s it their religion that maden them traiotrrs, or their actions?
     
  9. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Their loyalty was to the Jewish race -- not to those they lived among, or who employed them. In their own eyes, therefore, their actions did not make them traitors. One might argue that the real betrayers of their own people are those who have trusted Jews. Their crime has been folly.
     
  10. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    you'd say then, that Jews realy are bad for the countrys they live in - just like al l the anti Semitists do?

    Perhaps jews see Christians as traitors, because they folowed jesus + strayd from the OLd testamant beliefs?
     
  11. Muhlenberg Registered Senior Member

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    I oppose people for what they support not what they are.

    That said, when one looks at the leadership of the ACLU, PFAW, who gives over half the money which funds the DNC and who leads the Worker's World party front A.N.S.W.E.R. (Leslie Cagan and Brian Becker)there is no way around mentioning a group.

    The ACLU was founded by Roger Balwin and others to stop another deportation such that of Morris Becker, Emma Goldman and hundreds of other bolshiviks on the USS Buford to their pal Lenin. They were deported in reaction to over 30 bolshevik* bombings in America in 1919--one which tore up the front of the house of the U.S.Attorney General.

    In its early years, the ACLU was funded by the GPU.and later the NKVD.

    It still is a front. The agenda is not liberty--it is Gramscian socialism. The first, and most important, court cases seeking to censor the free exercise of religion were led by Leo Pfeffer--lead lawyer for the AJCongress. That was a little too obvious. The ACLU files the bulk of the cases today.

    The ACLU won a case prohibiting a prayer at a HS graduation. It filed a case recently seeking to ban a science teacher from even mentioning a book on Intelligent Design. It has won millions in court costs winning suits tearing down the Ten Commandants from public places.

    Yeah...the ACLU loves free speech.

    Their speech.

    Now and then it files a good case as cover, to suck in the suckers. Can't be cultural marxists all the time.

    *they usually called themselves other names--anarchists for one--but they were on the side of Zinoviev ("10% of the Russian people should be liquidated!"), Trotsky and Lenin. There is no doubt about it.
     
  12. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    An insignificant number of Christians were ever Jews - so they have not strayed. The Jews despise the "Jews for Jesus" organisation, but I believe they win back a fair proportion of the Jews who are attracted to it. Always remember that being Jewish is first and foremost about belonging to a race or clan, not about religious belief. You are Jewish by having a Jewish mother, even if she was an atheist.
     
  13. mistermistoffolees Registered Senior Member

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    Gilles de Rais. There is nothing lower than those who abuse animals and/or children. Especially in the way he did.
     
  14. oftenforgottenme Registered Member

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    :bugeye: Hey...I'm new...and I cannot believe that there is a marijuana leaf as a smilie..what has this world come to?

    Anyhew...
    Mi arsehole(opinion, if you will)
    Ahem..

    Newton...we might as well sit around and blame everything on him. He invented Calculus for crying out loud! What kind of sick-minded physcopath would spend his summer free-time inventing a type of math?! Unless, of course, he was secretly plotting to ruin Western 'civilization' by poisioning the minds of innocent teenagers with evil implementations like 'power rules'....no wonder we have marijuana smilies....
    Not to mention the machine-like-veiw of the universe that his studies spred during the Enlightenment...what imbicility!

    At least we had other idiots to contradict that and confuse us into comfort. Einstein, for example.

    But if you want to blame anyone for history, blame France. And Italy. And Greece. In opposite order of course. (note: Scorates came before Plato..blame Socrates for Greece's problems...of course, Plato had to write it down for us, didn't he?

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    And then there's Darwin. Tell me one useful thing he came up with, besides giving Social Darwinists an excuse to act completely immorally. Chaimberlain, for example. If one thing's stupid, it's his Ayran race concept.

    Yes, I think my least favorite histtorical figure is Darwin..don't ask me to be logical about it...
     
  15. mistermistoffolees Registered Senior Member

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  16. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    you reckon the world would be better without the great sientists of history? We'd all be more inocent and living off the land stil.. no pollution, no industry, no cars, no knowlege to speak of.

    I wouldnt have startd this chat because thered be no computers :m:
     
  17. mistermistoffolees Registered Senior Member

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    I still say it's Gilles de Rais.
     
  18. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    The unknown farmer who first tilled the soil
    and cast mankind out of the Garden of Eden
    by beginning the journey away from the life of the tribal hunter-gatherer
    for which mankind was moulded by hundreds of thousands of years of evolution.

    ""In the sweat of thy brow shalt thou toil for thy bread."
     
  19. OverTheStars Registered Senior Member

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    I would say King Henry VIII, for murdering his wives when they didn't produce male children, when it was really his own love-goo at fault. It makes me grind my teeth at the thought of it.
     
  20. River Ape Valued Senior Member

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    Don't you think it's a bit unfair picking on an Englishman (or Norman-Welshman) like that? As the Tudor dynasty emeged unchallenged in England, he became a figure of absolute power. And power, as we know, corrupts. He went a bit over the top, by English standards - even though he executed only two of his six wives.

    But by the standards of the Orient, or of Ancient Rome, or even Continental Europe in much later times, he was a puppydog. When every restraint on the powerful is removed, the consequences can be hideous - and often have been. Read up on mistermistoffolees choice of Gilles de Rais. But do not imagine such viciousness has been without parallel.
     
  21. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    For example Roman Emperor Neron executed his mother because she stayed in his way of absolute power.
     
  22. jennyRater Luck B me 2nite Registered Senior Member

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    he wasnt as evil or sick as Caligula - eg) he didnt get his sister pregnant then cut her open to eat the baby...

    Can any royal or imperiel family carry on ruling for a few centuries WITHOUT turning corupt + crazy??
     
  23. Avatar smoking revolver Valued Senior Member

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    Well, look at Cronus, he ate 5 of his 6 children.
    (I know, I know, that's a metaphor)
     

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