Why are things in space the shape that they are?

Exactly. Furthermore, in almost any given physical system, it will be found that it does NOT obey the mathematical model, i.e. the map, exactly. Only in the very simplest systems of all do we see exact correspondences.

 

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The territory is an expressed self-organized "pattern" of varying value densities.

Human symbolic maths is the "translation" (map) of the Universal mathematical terrain of "relational values" and mathematical functions.

A physical territory is an observable "mountain'. A mathematical territory is a collection of molecular values arranged in the dense pattern of a mountain.
A physical territory is an unobservable "atmoshpere". A mathematical territory is a collection of molecular values arranged in a transparent pattern of air.

Only the mathematics can theoretically yield the information contained in the physical patterns of "everything", physical or metaphysical.

 

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Of course, we are talking about a constantly changing dynamical system. But that does not negate the "mathematical guiding equations" which determine how things self-assemble into growth patterns and change via evolutionary processes.
It's all very mathematical, IMO.

 

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Found something that piqued my interest;
Human perception of shapes

Platonic solids in my head?..............

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shape#Shape_analysis

My brain is a mathematical processor?.........

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Tis not.

Hmmmm seems we are getting somewhere ..the implication clearly that maths is a language and who do we associate with language..humans..put it all together..Maths is a human language...I knew you could do it.

But you can't say that...to use the term math is now denied to you...the language does not exist without humans.

Honestly where would we be if you treated DNA as just a maths thing?

Alex

 

Sorry , I did not make myself clear.
I was comparing the use of the term "physics" with the term "mathematics".
They are both human terms and are subject to the same question if they truly describe the universe or not.

I was implying that the Universe doesn't know, nor care what humans do or say. We are talking what causes the consistency of certain natural self-formation of shapes in space and nature.
I maintain that the process has it's foundation in the interaction of mathematically relational values by means of mathematical functions.

NO... the symbolic language does not exist without humans. The mathematical processing of values and functions in the universe exist and continue regardless of human observation and interpretation or not.

But it is exactly that both in construct (pattern) and in information (encoded values). Perhaps we might be able to understand the functiom of DNA better if we just concentrated on the mathematics. Consider that mitosis is a mathematical ciopying

Mathematics is the human term for a consistent and orderly guiding equation in the interchange of information (values), by means of mathematical (algebraic) functions (value a + value b = value c), i/e. --- 1 atomic value of H + 2 atomic values of O = 1 molecular value of H2O, or physical water, or ice, or gas, depending on the prevailing temperature values (human terms; Celsius, Fahrenheit, Kelvin), but of course the environment doesn't care what temperature scale humans use. It just use the relative value threshold inherent in the mathematical density patterns of H2O which result in what we experience as water, ice, or gas.

AFAIK, there is not flaw in the logic. I suspect it is just a matter of overcoming intellectual resistance of long standing convention.

 

I'm waiting for the thread

THE MATHEMATICS OF MICROTUBULES

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Mitosis (copying itself) is a mathematical function.

Thanks, found an article. You know where to find it in Pseudo Science.

 

Explain please

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There is an echo in here.
Alex

 

Not a duck quack is it?

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Whatever,..... the point is that the mathematics don't go away with the human symbolisms.

 

If it looks like a duck, wlaks like aduck, quacks like a duck, its a mathematical pattern of a duck....

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OK I have reduced you to exasperation but whatever is an addmission that whatever my point may be that you accept it..so all is good.
Sorry I have been a little playful..I am more in agreement with you than not...you come over too passionate and that often invites folk to have a go..
Alex

 

........its a mathematical pattern of a duck with microtubules being the reason its quack does not echo

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Yes it is. It is a natural mathematical process, translatable into human symbolic maths.
Else who does the selecting? Nature? How does it do that? Like a farmer selecting a prize bull for breeding?
That, IMO, smacks of religious beliefs.
A natural probabilistic mathematical selection function, devoid of choice or preference seems logically the ideal "guiding equation", for all universal self-ordering dynamics.
A logically orderly "essence" (potential) of the spacetime fabric itself. Natural selection is not just related to biological organisms, it applies to Everything. That's the quasi intelligent power of mathematics. It is a common identifier (denominator ) in and of ALL THINGS.

Where physics fail, mathematics guide the way.

The problem is that human informational language and human informational mathematics are always being substituted for natural information languages (values) and natural mathematical/physical processing dynamics.

A "value" is a mathematical excellence (a potential) inherent in all natural mathematical patterns, from the very subtle to gross expression in our reality.
Gravity seems such a mathematical value, a universal excellence of dynamical potential, without which the universe might not exist at all.

If one admits to the universe having some mathematical properties and processing functions, then why the resistance to the concept of the universe having only mathematical properties and processing functions.

Compartmentalized, 1 + 1 does...

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? Would it make any difference to the mathematical relational values and the mathematically guided processing functions of the universe?

Plenty animals do just fine with their applied mathematics, even if they are completely oblivious to the fact.

I'm sorry but that is not the intent of the statement. I hope I said that " the mathematical /physical universe would be no different without "human" mathematics or humans for that matter.

The difference between a solid and a liquid is in the density of the molecular population, no?
Water vapor, liquid water, solid ice, all have the exact same constituent values H2O. It is the molecular density distribution that yields the gaseous state, liquid state, or solid state. H2O has a variable "value" potential. The mathematically self-organizing patterns into three possible "physical" expressions (states) , but being identical in constituent number and molecular value.

IMO, there is. But allow me to ask you what makes a physical mountain, without resorting to the mathematics of the descriptive values?

Compartmentalization; Cell "division" and "duplication" are mathematical functions, no? How it happens is secondary.
These fundamental functions must be mathematically permitted, or these functions would not, could not exist.....

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No

Biological processes

We shrink wrap divide and duplicate over the PROCESS as DESCRIPTIONS of the PROCESS

NOT as DESCRIPTIONS of the FUNCTIONS

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ALL fundamental ACTIONS must be PHYSICALLY possible or PHYSICS would not WORK

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I agree...

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