Why Can't Science Identify This Dragonfly-like Insect Emitting Strange Substance?

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  1. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    I appreciate you accepting the possibility of a giant Dragonfly existing, so thanks for that.
     
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  3. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    It appears that they are quite common in Brighton.
    Police found a shop selling hundreds of the the fluffy hot devices nearby.
    These are smaller than the foot long tube carried by the enormous cryptobeast, but of the same type.
    Police are investigating them closely, to make sure they are no harm to the local population.

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    Cache of square tubes, as seen in beak of Cryptobeast.

    It may have some connection with Draco Brightonorex, last seen 40 million years ago, said a police spokesman.

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    Yep. And almost 50% of Americans believe in creationism. In one poll, 59% of science students thought that summer was caused by the sun being closer to the earth. Which goes to show you how useful polls are when it comes to understanding science.

    Right, because those are the only two options.

    Do you consider yourself deceitful, or just ignorant? Which would be preferable?
     
  8. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    The dragonfly clasper of the males fits with the shape of the Devil's Footprints. It's at the end of it's tail and is used to grasp the female before mating. If the male giant dragonfly is low on energy in cold weather, then it could hop on it's tail as opposed to walking on it's legs to save energy.


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    That says more about the standard of science education in the US than it says about Giant Dragonflies.
     
  11. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    I know what you mean..
     
  12. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    There's more:

     
  13. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    This is the place where people have been buying the devices.

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    Shop selling tubular devices. Brighton Pier. England.

    The local police have been investigating the shop for many years,
    often buying them in bulk.

    Note the symbol next to the man on the left.
    It is Entelognathus Primordialis, 510 million years old.
     
  14. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    (lol)...

    The Devil Walked in Devon

    The concave detail of the small horseshoe-shaped prints fits with the giant dragonfly clasper hypothesis:

    A commenter has stated:


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    Do you suppose that the Devon Devil is really a giant dragonfly?
    A dragonfly walking 100 miles?
    Can you not see a good reason why this is unlikely?

    Clue.
    They are called Dragonflies, not Dragonwalks.

    Another flaw is that dragonflies do not wear horse shoes.
    As shown here.

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  16. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    Captain, Captain, Captain. I didn't explain myself well enough. The giant dragonfly still has the use of it's wings for aided lift, but is unable to perform full flight. Perhaps it was injured, exhausted, suffering from insect 'frostbite' etc.

    It would need the wind assist to hop over walls, buildings and cross a river!

     
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    "These footprints, most of which measured around four inches long, three inches across, between eight and sixteen inches apart and mostly in a single file"

    That is not how a dragonfly walks. A dragonfly has six legs, three on each side.
    The "foot" touches the ground in two places, heel and claw, at right angles to the body.
    Have a look at the Dragonfly I posted earlier.
    No way could it leave a single file trail.


    This is what a single file animal track looks like:

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  18. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    I'm saying it's bouncing upright on it's tail using it's wings for added lift, not using it's legs at all!
     
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    It's bouncing on its tail?
    Now you are clutching at straws.
    Why would it bounce along on its precious tail, containing many of its organs, when it has six legs?
    Its a dragonfly not a dragonangaroo!


    Another problem.
    The dragonfly hopped 100 miles on its tail.
    In the snow.
    What was it eating to get all that energy?
    Barn Eggs?


    Some information about the dragonfly's tail.
    The tail of a dragonfly (called the abdomen) contains many of a dragonflies organs, including its reproductive organs and much of its digestive system. It also acts as a cooling system. The insect pumps blood through the abdomen. The long, narrow shape ensure that the blood stays close to the surface, allsoing they air to carry away excess heat.
    http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_does_the_tail_of_the_dragonfly_do
     
  20. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    It's not a modern day dragonfly though. It's something else which had a common ancestor with the dragonfly. It uses it's wings for speed as well, but doesn't have the energy, or is perhaps injured, so can't fully fly. It can't use it's legs as efficiently because of it's great size. The chitin exoskeleton wouldn't allow for the flexibility needed. The legs contain the specialized trachea tubes.

    X-Ray Images Help Explain Limits To Insect Body Size


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    So a giant injured dragonfly, on a cold winter's night, thought it a good idea to hop 100 miles on its tail, in the snow?

    Isn't it more likely to have been one, or a series of, these:

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  22. common_sense_seeker Bicho Voador & Bicho Sugador Valued Senior Member

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    Apparently not. It's never been observed. It's been shown that the tracks are horseshoe-shaped in a straight line made by a concave shape. The fox or any other padded foot doesn't fit.
     
  23. Captain Kremmen All aboard, me Hearties! Valued Senior Member

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    So how would this shape:

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    be made by this shape:

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