Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

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  1. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Why did God say: Let us give Satan to mankind?

    God created Eden as his heaven on Earth so that he could, some day come down and rule over us.

    He cast Satan out of heaven. I guess because she was creating a huge division there, and decided to send her to Earth, to also create division here, which she did.

    Why would a good God curse the Earth by sending Satan, the personification of evil, to Earth?

    Regards
    DL
     
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  3. timojin Valued Senior Member

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    Don't ask us , ask Him
     
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  5. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    This person is obsessed with attacking her idea of the beliefs of the Semitic religions, so I don't see much point in engaging with her.

    However, for any other passers-by reading this, it seems to me the idea of evil, personified by Satan, is an entirely natural element of any theology.

    GIA obviously doesn't know her bible. The whole point of the Genesis allegory is to do with free will and Man's tendency to choose evil rather than good - what has come to be known in Christianity as Original Sin. The issue of why Man has been given free will and thus can choose evil is something that is dealt with in any decent Sunday school class.
     
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  7. Michael 345 Valued Senior Member

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    In cases like this I tend to turn to the great expert on such philosophical Questions

    Charlie Harper of Two and half Men

    As he cast her out Archangel (Alan Harper) asked why he was doing that

    Paraphrase

    Believe me for every hot chick out there some guy is pissed off with putting up with her whining

    Hence Earth gets the task

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  8. Xelasnave.1947 Valued Senior Member

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    Who heard God say such?
    Alex
     
  9. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    He is not speaking these days.

    Thanks for your opinion.

    Regards
    DL

    This makes some sense but ignores that we cannot choose to do evil all the time and must do it to survive. We cannot hep buy either cooperate, and do good, or compete and do evil.

    Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

    That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

    But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

    If all sin by nature then, the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

    You say I do not know the bible but I know it enough to know that the original Jewish view of their myth was that Eden was our place of elevation, not the fall that Christianity stupidly saw in it when they usurped the Jewish God.

    Seems that your the one who does not know his bible.

    Regards
    DL
     
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  10. Kittamaru Giving up this insanity for Lent - back ~ 4/15 Staff Member

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    One's inability to hear does not preclude the fact that someone else is speaking.

    Without knowledge of Good and Evil (which was bestowed by the fruit of the tree - prior to eating from it, they did not know the difference), can one say that Eve had a "desire" to eat a forbidden fruit?

    To me, one cannot say Eve did this out of malice or defiance, but rather ignorance.

    If anything, the only culpability God has in that would be not explaining WHY not to eat from the tree... which, one can make the argument, would not have helped as they would not have understood; think of it much the same as a parent trying to tell a four year old not to touch the stove because it is hot - until the child is burned at least once, they do not really understand.
     
  11. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    A) GOD needs no personal pronoun. Eschew it!

    B) GOD has one really peculiar sense of humor. Enjoy it.
     
  12. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    Well exactly. As you point out, it was the tree of knowledge of good and evil. A child does not know the difference: moral sense is something that develops as we grow up.

    Adam and Eve, according to the story, were innocent and lost their innocence - illustrated by the image of them looking for fig leaves to hide their nakedness.

    The allegory seems to me to be a primitive people's rather acute and poetic depiction of whatever it was or is that makes Man, unlike the other animals, morally responsible and yet with a tendency to moral weakness.

    Later commentators have acknowledged the bittersweet character of this first disobedient act and its consequences. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_culpa
     
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  13. Oystein Registered Senior Member

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    Maybe God . . .

    - miss-spoke
    - was translated incorrectly
    - was having a bad day, maybe after that long week of creation
    - he didn't want Satan any more
    - he thought it would be a funny gift
    - he tried but wasn't able to sell Satan so he decided to give him away
    - Satan wanted to be with mankind because he was bored to tears
    - his angels voted and the majority wanted to give Satan the boot
    - mankind asked for him by name
     
  14. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    A four year old can understand levels of heat if the parent takes the time to teach it.

    There is no good excuse for keeping mankind (adam) too stupid to even know how to reproduce.

    The motivation for Eve is spelled out in scriptures. Wisdom was sought and knowledge required to gain it.

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    DL
     
  15. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    Because Satan is the one and only Hate. He's not evil, but he suffers a lot, and he's hellish.
     
  16. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    She, according to the Catholic church. They have enjoyed vilifying women forever.

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    DL
     
  17. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    Yet his actions show otherwise.

    Regards
    DL
     
  18. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    I believe in Hades.
     
  19. Greatest I am Valued Senior Member

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    I hold no supernatural beliefs and think those who do hold those to be in intellectual dissonance.

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    DL
     
  20. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Maybe Satan is not the personification of evil.
     
  21. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    Ask yourself, what was satan's great sin that made GOD deny satan the privilege of being in GOD;s company.
     
  22. kx000 Valued Senior Member

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    It wasn't a sin, it was the nature of suffering.
     
  23. spidergoat Valued Senior Member

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    Ambition.
     

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