why do some theists believe in Darwinian evolution?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by Jan Ardena, Aug 30, 2011.

  1. Jan Ardena OM!!! Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    13,968
    This is aimed at theists who believe in scripture.

    jan.
     
  2. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  3. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    54,036
    Because they have some intelligence?
     
  4. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  5. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    7,721
    They simply push "God" further back in time.
     
  6. Google AdSense Guest Advertisement



    to hide all adverts.
  7. wynn ˙ Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    15,058
    Because they are PC?

    Because they fear for their safety and reputation, and don't have the kind of belief in God that would protect them from the dangers of living among the "heathens"?

    Because they don't actually believe the Bible and/or other scriptures?

    Because they are proud - or creative - and thus write their own theology, disregarding theistic tradition?
     
  8. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,089
    Because Evolution as science and Evolution as understood by you atheists is not the same thing. Refer to my God of Science thread for some background. I'm not interested in responding I rarely come here

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  9. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    19,252
    Really? What about the atheists who are scientists?

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    In fact so "not interested" you pop in to post a nonsensical claim.
    Well done.
     
  10. Believe Happy medium Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,194
    Because we realize that 7 days for a being to whom time and space are no obsticle can be a very long time to us. About 15 billion years give or take.

    Also, IF it is actually God speaking to man then we would have been stupid at the time when it was dictated. The concept of a billion was not even full realized at this time. Even if the person that it was dictated was shown the light, how would that person explain it to the masses? It knew that we would figure it out eventually.
     
  11. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,089
    ? what about the Christians who are scientists? You don't really prove anything...

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

    And you completely don't understand what I said, hence the reason for your comment.


    Your brain is so closed that it will seem nonsensical. How you understand Evolution as pure science vs how you use it to understand the world philosophically is not the same thing. See I said it again

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    19,252
    Likewise.
    You made a claim: support it.

    Um, evolution is a scientific process.
     
  13. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,089
    Ok so what is the contention between Evolution and Theism?

    Yes. And so? You still don't get it

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!



    Peace be unto you

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  14. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    19,252
    How does that support your claim?

    Oops, wrong.
    Maybe you should explain, rather be obtuse.
     
  15. Socratic Spelunker Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    170
    Because there is NOTHING in scripture that contradicts it.

    Scripture tells us that God created life, but doesnt tell us how.

    Any religion that claims its god as creator of the universe must take into account the physical phenomena we observe in the universe.
     
  16. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,089
    I'd like to walk you through the reasoning. Because you won't get it otherwise

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!




    Then answer the question.

    Peace be unto you

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  17. spidergoat pubic diorama Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    54,036
    Well, actually yes, there are a few scientific falsehoods in the genesis story.
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    19,252
    And now another evasion.

    What question? The "And so?"?
    Okay: evolution is a scientific process, not a philosophical one. Hence using it in a philosophical sense is a misuse.


    Incorrect.
    Scripture claims we were created ab initio as fully-formed humans. Evolution states otherwise.
     
  19. jpappl Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    2,985
    786,

    How so ?

    Understanding that we evolved here in a way that is in conflict with religious texts certainly places a burden on the belief in most religions. IOW, they are wrong if evolution is right, therefore it, evolution has a direct impact on our philosophical views.

    Which is why most Theist's don't take their creation stories literally.

    At least not in front of people who will question or challenge them

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  20. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    4,304
    But you don't.

    OTOH, this is the religion thread, nothing said here really has to make any sense.
     
  21. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,089
    Okay and in what way does it contradict? By the way the OP doesn't specify the type of 'theist'- so to bring in the specificity of the different religions probably won't do you good.

    The topic is more general: theists and why they can believe in evolution.


    Peace be unto you

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  22. 786 Searching for Truth Valued Senior Member

    Messages:
    3,089
    Perfecto. So where does evolution say God does not exist? If it doesn't there is no contention between theism (generally speaking) and evolution.

    The OP didn't specify any category of theists so there is no reason to go further

    Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image!

     
  23. Socratic Spelunker Registered Senior Member

    Messages:
    170
    Depending on your interpretation maybe, but many Old-Earth Creationists set them hand-in-hand pretty well. It's mostly in Young-Earth Creationism and other forms of fundamentalism that you find those falsehoods... among others...
     

Share This Page