Why does evolution select against atheists?

Discussion in 'Religion Archives' started by S.A.M., May 9, 2009.

  1. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    But we HAVE seen the evidence that it happens. We haven't seen it because of the timescales involved.

    A ridiculous lie.

    That isn't a fact, it's specious assumption. With no evidence.

    The same ridiculous lie, repeated and repeated in the hopes that it will become true.
     
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  3. earth Registered Senior Member

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    What is the procedure established to verify the evidence and what is the evidence for creation? Faith in belief isn't credible.

    Scientists use many different techniques to help interpret evidence. Often, interpretation involves drawing on what scientist know to help explain what they don't know. Scientist develop hypotheses that are established through previously known facts. Science is always looking for new data to test their current conclusions in an ongoing effort to make sure they're correct. Scientist use procedures adhering to established scientific method.

    We know scientists can have more than one interpretation for the evidence they discover. The interpretations made in science are heavily scrutinized from peer-review and a consensus is developed within the scientific community.

    The interpreters of religious text cannot reach a consensus, and are therefore much more fallible in their interpretations than scientist. Creationism is not a form of science as it does not adhere to scientific standards.

    Science does lead to changes, however, would you rather trust someone who learns from their mistakes, or someone who will never admit it when they're wrong?
     
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  5. earth Registered Senior Member

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    I’m sure you’ve seen a tadpole. Tadpoles live in the water and have gills. They develop into air breathing frogs or toads. Do you know a little over 530 million years ago everything lived in the sea, nothing lived on the land?
     
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  7. hay_you Registered Member

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    That is true. There many animals that start out one way and developed into a mature animal. Frogs are one, there butterflies, mosquitoes. etc.
    But they always turn in to frogs or butterflies. There is nothing about evolution in that.
    Not everything lived in water first. That is an assumption from scientists. They may have been the first created ones. But land animals are quite different than sea going ones. The leaps in evolution for this to come about, are huge. Here again you would need to have direct lines of evolution to prove that they did. This are not found. There are some that are kind of both, but to say they evolved is an assumption. There are creations that fit many ecosystems.
    It's not the science that is the problem , it is just the interpretation of the science.
    Really for the scientists to be correct in this they need the transitional fossil for proof. And we should be seeing this today. Where are these for man?
     
  8. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Incorrect. Speciation has been observed numerous times. Of course I'm not entirely sure what you mean exactly by "type of animal" - being one of those anti-evolution theists you probably mean a dog morphing into a hippo, such is their ignorance on the matter.

    I'd advise you take the time to research. Just an idea.
     
  9. hay_you Registered Member

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    If you are talking about species then science doesn't agree with what species are. I have commented on this before.
    Dogs are dogs and cats are cats. At some point scientists have to have one animal becomes another. But that does not happen. Some how you have got to get to man, from that single cell. But this line is not in the fossil record.
     
  10. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    There are no "created" ones.

    Wrong, we have found them.

    Trolling and lying again. It has been pointed out to you many times that we DO have transitional fossils.
     
  11. decons scrambled egg Registered Senior Member

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    Evolution is not a god,
    it does not select.
    It is a process in which
    some atheists involved in science
    try to save everybody's lives.
     
  12. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    That possibly means something to someone...
     
  13. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    With due respect but the extent of your ignorance on this subject is extraordinary, (but not all that surprising).

    Because such things are utterly not worth really getting into with creationists, I'll let someone else do it for me.

    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB801.html
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB925.html
    http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA230.html

    As for your final 'dogs are dogs, cats are cats, one animal must "become" [?] another' nonsense, am I right in assuming that you're talking about those legendary dats or cots? Such naive foolishness frankly makes me want to puke.

    Study man, study.
     
  14. decons scrambled egg Registered Senior Member

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    It means a lot to me.

    I thought "science" and "lives" rhymed a little. This association made me break the two sentences into five lines. What these two sentences might mean would depend on my writing skills and the intention of the reader. The general idea is about atheists and theists being members of the same evolution.
     
  15. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Ah, okay.
    Apologies, I read it in a somewhat critical mood (after hay-you's posts) and misunderstood/misread the intent.
    And yes, on second look I can appreciate it.
    Nice.
     
  16. hay_you Registered Member

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    Scientists have to get from some life, to all we see . That means vegetation and all animal life. So if one didn't evolve into another how do scientists, explain all the life we see? Are you then , saying, each animal was created as a dog or cat? That is creation.
     
  17. hay_you Registered Member

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    Or more accurately creation. There really is no such thing as evolution.
     
  18. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Creation is a myth for people that don't want to (or can't) think, e.g. those who claim there's no such thing as evolution.
    Stop trolling.
     
  19. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Obviously, as you well know but refuse on emotional religious grounds, all life evolves, has evolved and will continue to do so. But asking how a dog "becomes" a cat shows a serious naivete to the entire subject - and it's not something that I'm willing to go through with you.

    I would advise that you engage in study - somewhere other than creationism.com. As a start - because it's written for the layman, I would suggest Dawkins 'Greatest Show on Earth'. If you're at all interested in the truth of the matter, you'll take that advice.

    Regards,
     
  20. decons scrambled egg Registered Senior Member

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    A dog, in fact every single type of dog, is a product of human domestication, breeding, in short, human-made evolution. There is no dog, until humans domesticated common wolf (canis lupus commonus).

    A dog is half wolf, half human.

    A dog is a werewolf.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog
     
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  21. hay_you Registered Member

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    Actually evolution is an emotional stand against a creator. If scientists had evidence of evolution that would be different.
    I have some of Dawkins' books. He does makes some good points on false religious idea's, but he is just as wrong as the scientists are about this.
    The evidence does not support the scientist in this. The fossil record doesn't and scientists do not know how life started. This an emotional subject for scientists. The actually science is OK.
     
  22. Dywyddyr Penguinaciously duckalicious. Valued Senior Member

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    Ridiculous lie.

    They do have evidence, as shown to you.

    But haven't understood them.

    You wouldn't know.

    Already shown to be incorrect.

    The only emotion that comes into it is when idiots with no idea of what they're talking about insist on repeating the same facile inane "arguments" over and over again.

    Since you know nothing about science your opinion is worthless.

    Trolling again.
     
  23. SnakeLord snakeystew.com Valued Senior Member

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    Oh do kindly dispense with your nonsense, it's just not amusing anymore.

    What would be more emotionally pleasing: The idea that you're never going to die but are instead going to live forever in a land of pure luxury and that you're special, loved and wanted or that we evolved?

    You simply have no case, just verbal diarrhea. There is no emotional investment with the fact that we have evolved.

    Standard creationist tripe based upon nothing but ignorance and emotional hatred that they're not lovingly crafted.

    Evolution is a fact - as much a fact as gravity is a fact. It also involves theories just as gravity - and no, theory does not mean guess).

    Doubtful. However, as you might claim to be interested in truth and facts - I would suggest you go as soon as possible and begin with the one advised. Once you've read that, we can move on.

    1. You're so wrong it's not even funny.

    2. This is a separate issue and something we can raise in a new thread if needs be.

    It's getting that way now because of the idiots that also inhabit this planet, (creationists).
     

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