Why does the West tolerate Israeli crimes?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by RedStar, Jul 21, 2012.

  1. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    WASHINGTON -- Islamic terrorists are always looking for new ways to escape detection and carry out their attacks. One of their latest ideas is using children as suicide bombers.

    The growing phenomenon may soon spread beyond the Middle East to the rest of the world.

    The Making of a Child Martyr

    Strategies in the global war against Islamic terrorism are taking very different roads in 2010. The Obama administration hopes downplaying Islamic extremism may help when dealing with Muslim countries.

    Terror groups, however, are taking extremism to new levels by indoctrinating Muslim children in the deadly art of suicide bombing.

    "The state-sponsored illegal recruitment and education of innocent Muslim children to become suicide bombers and child soldiers is occurring throughout the Muslim and non-Muslim world," said Brooke Goldstein, founder and director of The Children's Rights Institute, an organization focusing on human rights violations against children.

    "In Pakistan, thousands of children are being educated in madrassahs," she said. "In Iraq, handicapped children are being blown up at polling stations. In Afghanistan, the Taliban is paying up to $12,000 per child, donated to them by their own families.

    Taliban leaders run training centers where boys as young as 11 years of age learn to be suicide bombers. Some are even younger.

    A 6-year-old Afghan boy recruited in 2007 was told that his suicide belt would "explode into flowers."

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    So you complain about Israel but yet you do not admonish the Islamic fundamentalists using children for suicide bombers, why is that? Are you that far behind that you don't care about what the Islamic people do to their own children before condemning another nation to protect itself against this kind of inappropriate activity?

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  5. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Palestinians are pushed to these extremes because of Israeli occupation. Israel is not the victim here.
     
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  7. Gustav Banned Banned

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    we commies strongly condemn the use of kids (one's own or another's) as components in bombs.
    now back to israel
     
  8. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    "In Pakistan, thousands of children are being educated in madrassahs," she said. "In Iraq, handicapped children are being blown up at polling stations. In Afghanistan, the Taliban is paying up to $12,000 per child, donated to them by their own families."

    So what about all of these other countries that are using children? Israel isn't involved with any of them. I'd think you have a very big problem of not seeing the real problem if you do not first address who is arming children with bombs to kill themselves as the very foremost problem with Islamic extremists not Israel.
     
  9. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Islamic fundamentalism is a problem. But I'm talking about Israel and Palestine, here. Stop changing the subject.
     
  10. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    It is THE problem which creates the cascades of other problems including Israel defending itself against child bombers and other acts of terrorism.
     
  11. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    No, because Israel is occupying Palestinian land and uses terrorism to maintain that occupation. This isn't primarily a religious issue of Islam, but of the Palestinian people as a whole.
     
  12. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    RedStar
    Israel has been under attack since 1948 and won the territories in question when they kicked Syria and Egypt's ass in 1973, the last time the Arabs attacked with tanks(they learn, but slowly). The Palestinians could have been resettled in Arabic countries but they were not allowed(mostly by Syria)to do so. Syria and Iran have supported terrorism directed at Israel for decades. While I do not agree with all the actions Israel has taken, they are the victims of the aggression of the Arab countries who refuse to acknowledge Israel's right to exist and vowed to drive them into the sea. If peace was on the minds of Arabs it can be achieved, Sadat showed that, but his fellow Arabs killed him for it. As long as the attacks continue Israel is going to be given a pass on what they do in the interest of their own security even if they do things which, in other circumstances, they would rightly be condemned for doing. Israel is going to defend itself, the sooner the Arabs accept that and quit trying to kill them, the sooner peace will be possible.

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  13. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    Terrorism is an Islamic Fundamentalist way to put fear into others. Terrorists from Islam use children to kill Israelis. Israel has the right to protect itself from children who are trying to kill them. If you do not understand that simple fact then you must have a educational problem.
     
  14. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Israel will always be under attack until she gives the entirety of the lands of Palestine to the indigenous Semitic peoples of the land. Most Israelis are not even from the Middle East. Why the hell do they have more right to live there than Palestinians?

    Doesn't the Torah explicitly state that Israel will only be re-established as a nation after the coming of the Messiah? Way to follow their own religion.
     
  15. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    When hell freezes over or after you've handed over the house keys to the native american indians. Israeli's are a semitic people too.
     
  16. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Not all of them. Sephardim and Mizrakhim are not an overwhelming majority.
     
  17. AlexG Like nailing Jello to a tree Valued Senior Member

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    At this point, a two generations have been born there.
     
  18. Mrs.Lucysnow Valued Senior Member

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    So? So what? Can you just imagine it? All of the hyphenated americans scuffling back to Ireland, Italy, Africa and god only knows where. Where would you be heading off to then?
     
  19. Grumpy Curmudgeon of Lucidity Valued Senior Member

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    The pogroms in Russia and Europe which culminated in the Holocaust shamed the world into establishing a homeland in Israel, a land that has changed hands many times over the centuries, often occupied by Arabic countries. That decision stands. Deal with the fact that Israel is there to stay and quit excusing terrorism or anti-Israeli wars which are not justified by Israeli occupation of lands won in wars they did not start. If Arabic countries would stop launching surprise attacks on Israel they might stop losing land to them. Once you launch a surprise attack you don't get a do-over when you lose. It was Arab aggression that lost them that territory, not Israeli aggression.

    Given you constant beating of the dead horse of Communism, it doesn't surprise me you don't see this horse has also expired.

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  20. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    how can they recognize something that doesn't exist. to acknowledge Israel is to say waging wars of conquest is ok. I'd explainwhy Israel doesn't have the right to exist but honestly since you have already decided it does their is no point in doing so. and Israel started the attacking in 48. this blame on the arabs and the palestinians for simply wishing for the palestinians legally mandated rights to be accepted is insane.


    also even if the wars were defensive in nature it is still illegal under international law to gain territory through war. the idea was firmly established in international law by the end of world war 2 and started being formulated and pushed some 70 years prior to to Israel's creation.
     
  21. Buddha12 Valued Senior Member

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    And where in the Koran does it say to have children blow themselves up?:shrug:
     
  22. RedStar The Comrade! Registered Senior Member

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    Israel is the first aggressor, that is what you do not see. Response to occupation is not aggression. How in the world was it the fault of the Palestinians that the Holocaust happened? Why should they be punished? What right did Britain or the United Nations have in imperialistically determining the fate of foreign nations?

    You're an imperialist through and through, and imperialism and colonization will be fought.
     
  23. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    so if some steals something from you and breeds and gives it to their children its ok. the thing about theft is it taints all future exchanges of property.
     

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