Why George Floyd matters?

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  1. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    From what im seein... it ant the kind of "luck" i woud want.!!!
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  3. river

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    Regardless

    George Floyd is about abuse of power .

    " Power Tends to Corrupt , and Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely " by Sir John Acton , 6th Baronet .

    1837 .
     
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  5. sculptor Valued Senior Member

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    perhaps, what happened to mr floyd was a product of fear and ignorance.

    and
    my highschool girlfriend, linda kathleen grego, used to quote that power and corruption thing
    (first love and all that, I remember many of her words)
    alternately
    “Unlimited power is apt to corrupt the minds of those who possess it”

    ..........................................
    does anyone now have unlimited power?
     
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  7. Bells Staff Member

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    Jesus fucking Christ..

    Genocide with a cash incentive.
     
  8. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I guess you have a flair for the dramatic. It's not "genocide". No one is being killed and no population is being wiped out.

    Much is damaged in a person when you live in that kind of environment at an early age. If they don't have kids, those kids won't have to suffer those repercussions. If you pay them to get a good education you have helped them as much as you can and they should have a much better life.

    The next generation will be much better off. Sure, those specific damaged individuals won't produce for one generation but so what?
     
  9. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    If you took the kids from racists (includin "unaware" racists) an put 'em in non racist familys to grow up then they shoud have a much beter life.!!!
    Trump also likes to seperate familys to solve prollems... go figer... "smart brained" people thankin alike.!!!
     
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  10. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    Pointing out figuratively what needs to happen does mean actually doing it (as I pointed out). It does pinpoint where the problem is so that any solutions can start there.

    Or, you can demonstrate for a few days and then do nothing. Although, in the most recent case, Minneapolis did decide to disband their police department.
     
  11. Bells Staff Member

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    Genocide is not just about killing, of which there has been anyway.

    You proposal would fall under the UN's definition of genocide.

    The United NationsGenocide Convention, which was established in 1948, defines genocide as "acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial or religious group, as such" including the killing of its members, causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group, deliberately imposing living conditions that seek to "bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part", preventing births, or forcibly transferring children out of the group to another group.[4][5][6]
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

    Your language is offensive and racist. The "black problem", for example, harks back to the Jim Crow era, not to mention the other offensive stereotypes you have posted in this thread and then the true to form 'I have black friends/neighbour's line..

    Suggesting that African Americans be given cash to stop having children depending on where they live or wealth or drug problems.. Or to stop them from living where they want to live, etc.. It is literally genocide with a cash incentive.

    You are attempting to erase them and forced integration so long as they do not have children. That is genocide.
     
  12. Seattle Valued Senior Member

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    I'm not suggesting that it's even legal or Constitutional to do it but it does suggest/pinpoint the problem. It's not about demonstrations, protests, equal pay, etc. Those things already are the law.

    There isn't a "black" problem. There is a inner city problem with families that are too large for the family to be able to afford and there are drug problems and if you don't do something very targeted nothing changes, as we have seen.

    People growing up in those circumstances that do get out tend to come from smaller families, those without drug abuse, etc. It's the others that don't get out of poverty.
     
  13. cluelusshusbund + Public Dilemma + Valued Senior Member

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    Whats been ponted out is you'r dream solution of takin black peoples kids from 'em an brang 'em up right wit people like you.!!!

    Drew Brees was stuck on racist-stoopid but he apears to be seein the light... maybe you to someday???... meh.!!!

    If you'r tryin to out-do Bowser you ant got far to go.!!!
     
  14. Bells Staff Member

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    Are you now trying to walk back your earlier statement?

    I mean, you've gone from victim blaming to stereotyping to suggesting the likelihood of genocide to fix what you deemed the "black problem"..

    So, are you walking it back?

    Why don't you ask Ving Rhames about how well he was treated in his well to do neighbourhood when a neighbour saw him, a black man, in his own house watching his own TV, reported him to the police, who then pointed a gun at him for being inside his own house when he opened the door to find them there.. Or the man in Colorado who was surrounded by police for cleaning his own front yard? The problem is that these are not isolated incidents.
     
  15. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Well, you know, his neighborhood trumps all--he personally hasn't seen it (and certainly hasn't experienced it), so it doesn't happen.
     
  16. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Yes. Making change in the right direction is valuable even if you can't solve any problem 100%.
    People are suspicious of people not like themselves, and tend to trust people who look like them. The term for that is homophily. So yes, you'd still see them.
     
  17. billvon Valued Senior Member

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    Nope. Read Neil DeGrasse Tyson's stories about him growing up in a middle class neighborhood, and then going to college. An excerpt:

    There was the time I was stopped late at night at an underpass on an empty road in New Jersey for having changed lanes without signaling. The officer told me to get out of my car and questioned me for ten minutes around back with the bright head lights of his squad car illuminating my face.

    I had been stopped by the police while transporting my home supply of physics textbooks into my newly assigned office in graduate school. They had stopped me at the entrance to the physics building where they asked accusatory questions about what I was doing.

    Even as a graduate student transporting text books into an office, he was a target - because he was black.
     
  18. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Thought I was listening to Dr. Phil for a second there. So you want people to ignore what the numbers say and purge themselves of any thought that racism exists, and they can trust that everyone else will voluntarily do the same regardless of whether it negatively impacts their existing privileges?

    When David Duke says that blacks and Jews and everyone else who doesn't descend from his great great grandparents are trying to take over America and the "civilized" world, he's projecting his own ambitions onto them and looking for a scapegoat to justify his failure to achieve them. When a black kid from a ghetto says average white kids get substantially more tax dollars spent on their education within the same public system, that's not projection, it's called accounting.
     
  19. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    I missed the exact implications of this modest proposal on my first read-through, I thought you were just saying to pay black people to leave their home neighbourhoods and never go back. If that was all you were saying, I would argue that educated hard-working people moving back into the ghettos where they grew up might be exactly what those ghettos need most.

    But what you're actually suggesting... So the Marshall plan should have paid everyone in Europe not to have kids because they were just about all destined to be born into broken societies? What about the folks who once gave Hitler a 90% approval rating while killing and plundering from hundreds of millions and torturing millions to death? How did human beings ever make it out of the caves in the first place? If someone manages to make a success of themselves and support themselves and others by doing so, why should anyone care if their parents were drugs addicts and pay them not to have any kids? You think 25% of the professional athletes in America should be paid to keep their millions to themselves and spend them on tacky mansions instead?
     
  20. pjdude1219 The biscuit has risen Valued Senior Member

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    yes because white societies have such a glowing track record when it comes to taking children of color from their parents.
     
  21. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    I honestly can't tell whether or not you're trolling here--if you are, it's a pretty fucked up thing to be trolling about. If not... it's just kinda hard to believe that you are this uninformed.

    No matter what arena of life is under discussion--housing, employment, medicine, and so forth--black people in America are treated quite differently--and this includes the middle class ones. Take medicine, for instance: blacks are far more often suspected of exhibiting "drug seeking" behaviors, their complaints of pain are routinely taken less seriously, they are far less likely to be referred to specialists... this could go on for a while, and it is all amply documented by reputable sources. Your ignorance of this--especially as an American--is, frankly, shocking.
     
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  22. CptBork Valued Senior Member

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    Canada did that with a whole generation of its Native populations, and for some bizarre reason had a real knack for hiring rapists to educate them. Worst idea ever, we're probably paying more for it now than we did at the time when it was actually ongoing.
     
  23. parmalee peripatetic artisan Valued Senior Member

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    Can't believe I'm saying this, but I think even Dr. Phil has a more sophisticated understanding of psychology than sculptor.
     

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