Why is sciforums traffic so low now?

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  1. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Lying doesn't suit you. I never said that. I said ufos are probably aerodynamic in order to fly thru planetary atmospheres. And it makes perfect sense. A Borg cube, while being perfectly suitable for space, wouldn't do well in earth's atmosphere. Too much air friction.

    Another lie. Here was my actual response:"On further examination, maybe so. I noticed the boy's saucer pics are more stretched out, which I suppose could be done on photoshop. Good catch."

    Belief in ufos is not nearly so emotionally cathartic. Despite our assurance that they do indeed exist, there are more mysteries about their origin and purpose that remain frustratingly unresolved. So for me that ufos exist is about as exciting as the fact that dark matter exists or quantum entanglement exists. Same with ghosts and esp. It doesn't feed any spiritual need in me at all that these things are real. I get my spiritual food from other sources, like a summer thunderstorm, and a snowcapped mountain, and the Tao Te Ching, and a baby's laughter.

    All I do is post evidence. And then I go thru 20 pages of trolls flaming me and arguing that what I posted isn't evidence. Which is a total lie. Don't believe me? Peruse the massive "Why is the govt hiding its knowledge of ufos" thread. There's around 18 well-documented cases of ufo contact posted there, none for which any plausible alternative explanation has been offered.

    Sounds very subjective to me. I used to be disgusted by calamari, until I tried it a few times.
     
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  3. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    Not sure I get the implication there - is it that a cultural relativist would refuse to use an aircraft?
     
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  5. rpenner Fully Wired Valued Senior Member

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    It's that no cultural relativist would say it's OK to JUST have a local belief official certify the plane meets local cultural norms before being allowed to fly. You would want it checked by people who know stuff about flying in some verifiable absolute sense.

    River Out of Eden (1995, pp. 31-32)

    Dawkins doesn't address the insane value system that made simply going to the moon a priority and his use of the qualification "Western" doesn't make sense except in the context that he was addressing a stated belief that valuing science (which belongs to all humans in equal share by my estimation) was imposing "Western" culture.
     
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  7. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    oooh lol, fair enough

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  8. krash661 [MK6] transitioning scifi to reality Valued Senior Member

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    I wonder if moderators were paid and then more moderators were added-- i would put big money on the fact that this site would do a turn-a-round. there is a phrase that states: " a team, a company, or whatever, is only as good as the person running it."
     
  9. Yazata Valued Senior Member

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    Here's a slightly modified version of something I posted on the 'what kind of evidence would satisfy me' thread, and it seems relevant here too:

    My first post to that thread said that physical evidence, things such as live or deceased cryptozoological creatures, physical ufos whether crashed or landed, the ability to perform biological investigations on their occupants, would be the kind of thing that I might find convincing. (And given that I'm not qualified to perform those examinations, they would have to be performed by parties that I trust.)

    But what about belief the other way? Does anything justify Sciforums' profound conviction that ufos ARE NOT alien spaceships? What kind of evidence supports that belief about the nature of reality? Wouldn't lack of a crashed saucer be just as good evidence of the reliability of the vehicles as evidence of their non-existence?

    There's an obvious analogy with belief in God and I think that here too, agnosticism is more intellectually defensible than either belief or outright denial.

    I'm still curious about the anger and hostility that the whole subject elicits among self-styled "skeptics", both here on Sciforums and in organizations like CSICOP. It reminds me of the hatred for religion that some of the "new atheists" wear on their sleeves.
     
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  10. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    People who argue the methods of science are just another ritual or set of structured "stories about the world" don't really believe the cant they preach. If they did, they would not dare to fly.
     
  11. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I think you confuse irritation with hatred.
     
  12. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The only way the disbelievers in ufos would have a case is if they proved it impossible that intelligent non-human beings are visiting earth in advanced craft beyond our technology. That's the only way they could prove their point. Even if every ufo were proven to be swamp gas, or ball lightning, or a mass hallucination, there is no guarantee at all that one might appear tomorrow in the sky. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Which is why they all have conniption fits when confronted with the evidence and get overly emotional and angrily blame threads on this topic for the loss of forum traffic. Nobody likes their reality paradigm overturned.
     
  13. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    MR - do you even hear yourself? "Even if every UFO were proven to be something mundane, there is no guarantee that one might appear tomorrow"... what does that even mean? Yes, absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, that is true. However, absence of evidence against is also not evidence for something. By definition, all you have is conjecture and theory. As a result, there is insufficient evidence to claim any extraordinary facts...

    Now, say it with me - "I don't know what that thing was"... c'mon, it's not a hard phrase!
     
  14. Daecon Kiwi fruit Valued Senior Member

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    Does anything justify the belief that UFO aren't conjoured up by wizards and are piloted by unicorns? Or that they aren't actually magic carpets piloted by Arabian street urchins with princesses along for the ride? Or...
     
  15. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    Negatives / non-existance can only be proved in tautologies, like mathematics.

    The only burden of proof is on those who want to claim UFOs do exist. I believe that UFOs do not exist because space is so vast and it is extremely unlikely that some other society more advanced than our would have sent their UFO in this direction, several million years ago so it could be near earth now. There is nothing special or interesting about our star, the sun. There are billions of stars more interesting to visit, if your technology allows that.
     
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  16. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The proof is in the pudding. Thousands of cases of ufo encounters involving craft beyond our technology and witnessed with occupants exiting and entering said craft. There is more evidence for ufos than for ball lightning or earthquake lights, which are now totally accepted by science. You have only to look for yourself.

    http://www.ufoevidence.org/
     
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  17. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    And hundreds of years ago, people believed the rains were brought by Gods whom they had to sacrifice animals/people/etc to... it was a worldwide accepted thing. The Sun was a deity itself, as was the moon. The stars were the spirits of long passed ancestors.

    Guess what - that doesn't make it truth - just because you cannot adequately explain something doesn't mean you get to make up fairy tales about it.
     
  18. Billy T Use Sugar Cane Alcohol car Fuel Valued Senior Member

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    What did these "occupants" look like? Was the entering and exiting done with the UFO on the ground? Or did a "hovering" UFO, let a ladder down?

    None of the photographs in the 2000 to present section impressed me. Why is there not at least one clear photo illustrating a UFO, that looks to be more than a unexplained dot or blur in the sky?
     
  19. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    The occupants appear humanoid in uniforms or metallic suits and in many cases appear short, like around 4 feet tall. The occupants exit the craft after it has landed on the ground thru a hatch or a ramp. Review the humanoid encounter cases I gave you in that link.
     
  20. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    Says the guy who believes in Bible stories like David and Goliath and Noah's Ark. lol!
     
  21. paddoboy Valued Senior Member

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    Hmmm, perhaps the forum traffic is low because everyone has been scared away by the Alien space craft, Goblins, ghosts, Supernatural happenings, Bigfoots etc

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    Just saying.

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  22. Kittamaru Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. Adieu, Sciforums. Valued Senior Member

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    *shrug* At least there's physical evidence to support that those people actually existed - unlike your lil grey men.

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/ev...t-flood-noahs-time-happened/story?id=17884533
    http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/insideis...mon-exist-dig-refutes-naysayers/?mobile=false

    Sadly for you, there is actually more physical and hands on evidence to support biblical stories than there is to support your bigfoot or ufo's... so, yeah. You should get off your high horse, cause it's looking more and more like a wretched ass rather than a prize stallion.
     
  23. Magical Realist Valued Senior Member

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    If they're scared of fringe topics, they should stay out of the fringe forum. Just saying..
     
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