Why is there matter in universe ?

Discussion in 'Pseudoscience' started by Dicart, Jun 13, 2022.

  1. Ssssssss Registered Senior Member

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    They are testing how antimatter behaves in a gravitational field and they are doing it because there is a very strong prediction of general relativity that everything will fall the same way in a gravitational field and they've already tested that everything else they can find falls the same way. It isn't asking the questions that makes what you're doing pseudoscience it's that you don't have any real reason for any of the predictions you make you just want antimatter to have negative mass because you think it would be cool whereas the scientists expect all matter and antimatter to fall downwards because that's what general relativity predicts but general relativity has got to be wrong somewhere so they check where they can.
     
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  3. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Ok, it is obvious you dident understand.

    Dont try to fool me.
    You said you know that gravity behavior is the same with matter and antimatter.
    How do you know this when the physicist dont know and try to know using very expensive experiences ?
    That was my question.

    You see.
    You dont read what i write. Or your brain is deficient.
    For the antimatter, Dirac has postulated the existence using the mathematic formulas (dirac was some genius in mathematic).
    You can do the same for other things. Like negativ mass or negativ energy etc.
    It is not pseudodcience, it is science trying to take in account what we actually know.
    Is it reality ? Nobody knows, because we dont know how far the domain of application of some formulas can go.
    But it is how science works. Modern science.
    Perhaps you have heard about it ?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_equation

    https://timeline.web.cern.ch/timeline-header/86
     
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  5. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    The physicists do know it.

    I would suggest you do your own research, but you won't. Here's a nice easy read for you:
    "In the experiments, conducted over an 18 month period at CERN's antimatter factory ... the scientists found that matter and antimatter particles responded to gravity in the same way, with an accuracy of 97%."
    https://www.space.com/matter-antima...ments, conducted over,with an accuracy of 97%.
     
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  7. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    I'm afraid Dicart is just a run-of-the-mill anti-science troll. He just takes the opposite side from science, it is immaterial whether he understands the point or not. All his arguments are in bad faith, he doesn't care about learning, his goal is to argue and annoy, why he does this though is quite beyond my capacity...
     
  8. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    I am rapidly coming to the same conclusion myself, yes.
     
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  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Dicart,

    All this nonsense about a dog and so on obviously isn't an "obvious" answer. You shouldn't claim that an answer is obvious if to know what the answer is somebody has to know all about how your dog disappeared. Perhaps trying googling a definition of "obvious" before you use that word again.
     
  10. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Moderator note: This thread has been moved to a more appropriate subforum.
     
  11. Write4U Valued Senior Member

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    Perhaps it is time to move my thread on "microtubules" to a more appropriate sub-forum like "Alternate Theories"?
     
  12. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    He was director of research at the CNRS.
    And he is a very skilled engineer too.
    Yes i know this experiment and i have studied it with lot of attention at the beginning, to be sure that what they try to demonstrate is consistent (i dont like to waste my time).
    It found it is almost (i remember i found that there could be some minor flaws). So we can rely on the results with some good confidence.
    And you will be surprised : This is exactly what Jean-Pierre Petit (the engineer...) predicted, according to his JANUS model in 2016.
    You can read his interview on his site (7 octobed 2016), in french :
    https://www.jp-petit.org/janus/janus_presentation.htm

    Antimatter is attracted to matter like matter attract matter.
     
  13. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    It was just some metaphoric representation to enter into the subject.

    Like here :
    https://www.jp-petit.org/janus/janus_presentation.htm

    Dans son modèle il s'inspirait du modèle cosmologique babylonien, selon lequel le seigneur du temps, Zurvan, aurait eu deux fils, Ormazd et Ahriman, "d'égale puissance", qui entreprirent aussitôt de se battre et de s'auto-détruire. Mais le dieu Mithra se plaça entre eux.

    Translated into :

    In his model he was inspired by the Babylonian cosmological model, according to which the lord of time, Zurvan, had two sons, Ormazd and Ahriman, "of equal power", who immediately began to fight and destroy themselves. But the god Mithra came between them.
     
  14. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    I only say that if something disappear, the most obvious thinking is that it went far ago.
     
  15. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    The detail of what you call pseudoscience...

    https://hal.archives-ouvertes.fr/hal-03224868/document

    An other "pseudoscience" work published here :
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0370157312000105

    And now for the "pseudoscientist" guru, the nobel prise Andrei Sakharov :
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov
     
  16. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    If when someone, using what we know in science, elaborate some new hypothetical model (i have insisted on THIS WORD : MODEL, and NOT THEORY) it is what you call pseudoscience, then the whole research domain is pseudoscience.

    But i understand that some engineer can have this belief because i already met many of them having this point of view.
     
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  17. origin Heading towards oblivion Valued Senior Member

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    So what? There is no evidence of negative mass, so he is making stuff up.
     
  18. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    That's not an answer.
    Well, unless you're twelve years old.
     
  19. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    So now you're going to apologize for bad-faith arguing, and wasting our time, right?
     
  20. Dicart Registered Senior Member

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    Like there where no evidence of antimatter and like there where no evidence of highs particles etc etc etc.
    This is how science work.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_mass

    Occam's razor.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

    You really dont understand anything or are you trolling ?
     
  21. DaveC426913 Valued Senior Member

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    Here, you say "physicist dont know" that gravity affect antimatter the same as matter:
    And then, when I pointed out that they do know, you contradicted your own lie, admitting you had already studied the experiment and then you acknowledged that physicists do know:
    So you lied. You knew the answer to the question. You wasted our time with bad faith arguing.


    Guys. I'm callin' this.

    Dicart isn't just ignorant of physics; he doesn't just make up stuff and spew word salad; he lies.
    He denies things that he later admits he knows are true. And he does so in inflammatory language, designed to stoke the fires of argument.

    Dicart is a troll, whose purpose is to waste the time of good people trying to do science. He's going on my ignore list.
     
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