Why Mercury's precession is not as big as Earth? (5.75" < 11.45")

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  1. Q-reeus Banned Valued Senior Member

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    Points taken. Either way, I see no value in keeping Tony stimulated. Sooner or later he should actually study the article he linked to in post #1. It answers well enough all his repeated questions.
     
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  3. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Someone once kept telling me that there was no wave and no Doppler. I answered this question, but the person who asked it closed his eyes.
    If you already know the calculation process of Mercury's precession very well, I hope you can also do the calculation with Doppler effect in mind. I don't have the ability to do this yet, I hope you can. If you just copy the text on that link, then you do n’t have to. I can also copy it.
     
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  5. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Moderator note: Two threads on the same topic have been merged into one. Please do not cross-post to multiple subforums.
     
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  7. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    I have verified with procedures that Mercury's precession deviation (44.1 "per century) is due to the Doppler effect of the gravitational field.
     
  8. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    1.Mercury:
    Perihelion precession per century::58.43349" .
    Afar precession per century::47.43934" .

    2.Earth:
    Perihelion precession per century::32.64312" .
    Afar precession per century::32.39084" .

    My data may be closer to the real.
     
  9. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Show us your derivation. Or link to it.

    Thanks.
     
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  10. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Planet -------- Perihelion precession --------------- Afar precession (per century)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mercury********** 58.405"****************** 47.439"
    Venus********** 38.255"****************** 38.465"
    Earth********** 32.647"****************** 32.389"
    Mars********** 28.245"****************** 25.653"
    Jupiter********** 14.578"****************** 13.836"
    Saturn********** 10.822"****************** 10.190"
    Uranus********** 7.454"****************** 7.369"
    Neptune********** 5.422"****************** 5.302"

    These data come from program simulation. The planetary precession under the Doppler effect of gravitational field every century.
     
  11. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Precession under the Doppler effect of gravitational field:
    Planet -------- Perihelion precession ------------ Afar precession (per century)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mercury********** 58.404"***************** 32.938"
    Venus********** 38.004"****************** 38.466"
    Earth********** 33.073"****************** 32.392"
    Mars********** 27.609"****************** 24.686"
    Jupiter********** 14.524"****************** 13.042"
    Saturn********** 10.831"****************** 9.519"
    Uranus********** 7.446"****************** 6.992"
    Neptune********** 6.064"***************** 5.929"

    Precession under the normal gravitational field: (non-Doppler effect)
    Planet -------- Perihelion precession ---- Afar precession per century
    -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mercury********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
    Venus********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
    Earth********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
    Mars********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
    Jupiter********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
    Saturn********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
    Uranus********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
    Neptune********** 0.000"****************** 0.000"
     
  12. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Those numbers don't tell me anything. I asked for your method, your derivation.

    What's "Afar precession"?

    And what relation do the numbes 58.405" and 47.439" have to 44.1"?
     
  13. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    ccording to the law of conservation of energy, I have improved the accuracy of planetary speed at any point on the elliptical orbit.

    Planet -------- Perihelion precession ------------ Afar precession (per century)
    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mercury********** 58.404"***************** 32.938"
    Venus********** 38.004"****************** 38.466"
    Earth********** 33.073"****************** 32.392"
    Mars********** 27.609"****************** 24.686"
    Jupiter********** 14.524"****************** 13.042"
    Saturn********** 10.831"****************** 9.519"
    Uranus********** 7.446"****************** 6.992"
    Neptune********** 6.064"***************** 5.929"

    ( 58.404" + 32.938" )/2 = 45.671" , I still don't know what this average data means.
     
  14. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    1. Calculate the speed and direction of each point on the elliptical orbit
    2. Calculate the Doppler effect coefficient f (x) of the gravitational field
    3. Calculate the new perihelion position and the new afar position.
    4. Calculate the precession angle. Including the precession of perihelion and afar.
     
  15. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Planet -------- Perihelion precession ---- Afar precession per century under the Doppler effect
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    Mercury********** 58.404"****************** 32.938"*******meanArc= 43.053"
    Venus********** 38.004"****************** 38.466"*******meanArc= 38.236"
    Earth********** 33.073"****************** 32.392"*******meanArc= 32.726"
    Mars********** 27.609"****************** 24.686"*******meanArc= 26.075"
    Jupiter********** 14.524"****************** 13.042"*******meanArc= 13.747"
    Saturn********** 10.831"****************** 9.519"*******meanArc= 10.138"
    Uranus********** 7.446"****************** 6.992"*******meanArc= 7.209"
    Neptune********** 6.064"****************** 5.929"*******meanArc= 5.996"
     
  16. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Mercury********** 58.404"****************** 32.938"*******meanArc= 43.053"
    Mercury Precession Deviation 43" comes from the Doppler effect of the gravitational field.
     
  17. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    https://photos.app.goo.gl/D4kgZ8dyzBmpjrux5
     
  18. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    My friend, I have submitted the paper to nature. If they can read my article seriously, they will be just as surprised as me.
     
  19. James R Just this guy, you know? Staff Member

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    Let us know when you hear back from them.

    Have you read any of the articles in Nature, so that you're aware of what kind of thing is expected to get published?
     
  20. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    I just know that nature is one of the most famous scientific journals in the world, and I don't know much about other information. I hope they can read my paper seriously. Because it does cause shock in the physical world.
    If natue can publish my article, I will tell you the first time. Thank you for your attention.
     
  21. exchemist Valued Senior Member

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    I predict either silence from Tony or some version of the Galileo Gambit.

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  22. (Q) Encephaloid Martini Valued Senior Member

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    To date, it doesn't appear as if Tony's "world shocking" paper has been published. Circular file, maybe?
     
  23. TonyYuan Gravitational Fields and Gravitational Waves Registered Senior Member

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    Please be patient, they are reviewing my article, no matter whether it can be published at the end, I will publish my research results in the sciforums.
     

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