Sed Swarm in another thread: Personal politics at its best! Aside from that, a philosophy-related issue: It is interesting how people can discuss stuff - as long as the definition of what is 'real' is neatly kept in a corner as a taboo. But question the definition of 'real', and the whole discussion collapses like a house of cards - one party declares victory and departs the field, the other party is supposed to admit total and utter loserdom. How come? Words like 'truth', 'reality', 'real' are power words, words that most people have respect for, even if willy-nilly. Some people, being aware of this power, then wield 'truth', 'reality' and 'real' as swords that nobody and nothing can resist - even if they themselves refuse to define what 'truth', 'reality' and 'real' mean. If they would actually define them, they couldn't declare victory anymore, and would be left on the field. And they sure know that!