Why we sail to Gaza

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  1. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    First the Nazi occupiers of Warsaw built a wall around its Jewish ghetto, enclosing 440,000 Jews. Next, they denied nearly all ingress and egress. Then they cut food, fuel and power. They deported and killed increasing numbers numbers of Jews. When the Jewish inhabitants waged armed resistance, they were branded as “terrorists” and ruthlessly destroyed, along with the entire ghetto and all but a few survivors. At each stage, Nazi leaders watched for world reaction. When there was none, they took license to commit greater horrors.

    More than ten years ago Israel began building a wall around Gaza, and made it higher and more fortified five years later. Since then, the entry and exit of Palestinians and visitors has dwindled to a trickle. Israel has halted the export of all goods produced in Gaza. Israel withholds Palestinian money used to pay salaries. It ruthlessly attacks and assassinates persons that it accuses of participating in armed resistance that it brands “terrorism,” along with a larger number of civilians that it calls “collateral damage.” Recently, it even refused to allow children’s schoolbooks into Gaza. Israel, too, has paused at each stage to gauge world reaction. Seeing none, it raises the level of misery & suffering for the 1.4 million Palestinian people of Gaza, nearly half of them children.

    On Wednesday, September 19, 2007, the Israeli cabinet unanimously decided to authorize sanctions on supplies of electricity, fuel, water and other basic goods and services to the civilian population of Gaza. Having turned the tiny Gaza Strip into a prison where the inmates must fend for themselves, Israel is putting them on half rations and denying them sanitation and even candles to light the darkness imposed by the lack of electricity.

    The U.S. government and nearly every candidate for President and Congress have overwhelmingly endorsed Israel’s action. However, a few voices refuse to endorse war crimes. That is why the Free Gaza Movement will take a small group of boats to Gaza in May 2008, and try to enter by sea, the only route that Israel has not walled off. We will carry only food, medicine and visitors wishing to show solidarity. Those visitors will be Israelis, Palestinians, and citizens from all over the world. They will include Catholic priests, nuns, rabbis, imams, Buddhist priests, actors, entertainers, journalists and politicians.

    We will not seek Israeli permission because we will not pass through Israeli territory. Although Palestinians in Gaza desperately need relief supplies, they need freedom even more. Our voyage is therefore intended to exercise Palestinian sovereignty by accepting invitations from Palestinian institutions still functioning in Gaza, without clearance from Israeli authorities. We hope to be the first visitors to enter Palestinian territory on Palestinian authority alone.

    Raphael Lemkin, the Polish Jewish lawyer, who coined the term genocide in 1943, described it as “...the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives....would be the disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups.”

    We therefore do not have to believe that Israel will go as far as Nazi Germany to recognize that it is nevertheless committing genocide upon the Palestinian people. The victims of past genocides call upon us to cry out, “Never again!” That is why some of us will sail to Gaza next May, and why all of us must hold Israel accountable for its actions. To do nothing is to tell Israel that the world is once again ready to tolerate crimes against humanity.

    (Hedy Epstein is a Jewish Holocaust survivor, living in St. Louis, MO. Dr. Paul Larudee is a piano technician, living in El Cerrito, CA. Both are human rights volunteers, who participate in the Palestinian non-violent resistance movement.)

    http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/why_we_sail_to_gaza/0014672
    http://www.freegaza.org
     
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  3. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Idiotic comparison, Sam. The Jews in Warsaw didn't shoot rockets and missiles into Germany-held territory, nor did they strap explosives to their bodies intent upon killing German women and children in open, public marketplaces and weddings.

    The Israelis should take a lesson from history ...the way we Americans finally ended the same/similar terrorism in the American west with the terrorist Native Americans.

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  5. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    You are lost.
    The worst you could possibly say about NAs in relation to European settlers is that sometimes their acts were as bad as the Europeans.

    You don't know history. You believe what they told you in those social studies textbooks oh so long ago when they were pure propaganda and patriotic crap without even a little self-questioning. Oddly many people in your generation noticed that there was more to the story or smelled the lies directly.
     
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  7. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, you can say or believe anything you want, but we got rid of the problem of the NAs attacking and killing Americans. It should be obvious to you and anyone else that the tactic worked damned well.

    We tried winning the "hearts n' minds" of the NAs, and it didn't work, so we tried a tactic that worked ....and one that you can't argue that it didn't work!

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  8. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    No Baron is right , it is a shitty comparison. Really shitty.
     
  9. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Yeah, but Tiassa gave me an infraction for it! ...LOL!

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  10. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Mod Note - Wrong again, Max

    Mod Note - Wrong again, Max

    Wrong again, Max. You were issued a warning (note the yellow card) for advocating biological warfare and genocide. Read the infraction message. Oh, wait, you did. And you still don't understand?
     
  11. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Hmm, I didn't say a word about biological warfare!

    And as to genocide, isn't that where an entire people are killed off? If so, then I didn't advocate that either ...nor is it what the early Americans did to the NAs in the west. They only killed off enough to stop the terrorism ....and it worked damned well, didn't it? But it wasn't genocide ...there's still a lot of NAs in the USA, and I'm part Cherokee, too.

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  12. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Well, coddling and winning "hearts n' minds" ain't worked since ...well, since never in history. But kickin' ass has worked all throughout history ...for the ones who CAN kick ass!

    Perhaps we should have tried diplomacy and wimpy attitudes during World War II? Geez, I can just see Hitler and Tojo bowing their heads in shame at being such bad guys .....and backing down and giving up in the face of such embarrassment and shame. ....can't you?

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  13. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    You're actually resembling Hitler.

    Opps, Goodwins law...........
     
  14. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Mod Hat - Wrong yet again, Max

    Biological warfare was part of the solution you've advocated.

    That it failed doesn't mean it wasn't tried. That is the solution you've advocated.

    If you are genuinely ignorant of the history of what happened on the American continent, I suggest you spend some time learning about it. If, however, you insist on continuing to disrupt topics with inflammatory posts, do it somewhere other than EM&J.
     
  15. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Huh??? Where? When?

    As to genocide, I didn't advocate that either!! I advocate fighting when necessary to do the job that has to be done! If the Muslim terrorists continue to fight, then we should continue to fight them ....with every means necessary to end the fighting.

    As to my history lessons, I think the end result speaks volumes!

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  16. Tiassa Let us not launch the boat ... Valued Senior Member

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    Mod Hat - Last chance, Max

    If you don't like my rules, go to SFOG and start a topic about it. If you don't have anything valuable to contribute to this topic, then stay out of it. Further digression will bring infraction points.
     
  17. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Yep, see what power can do? All you have to do is learn to wield it over those who can't resist ...in exactly the same way it's been done for millions of years of human existence. The powerful will always win ...and the wimps will continue to complain and want to use "diplomacy" and try to win "hearts n' minds".

    You're using exactly the same tactics, Tiassa .....show the power, show the force, and you'll win.

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  18. nietzschefan Thread Killer Valued Senior Member

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    A small country cannot contend with a great; the few cannot contend with the many; the weak cannot contend with the strong - Mencius
     
  19. Nickelodeon Banned Banned

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    Agreed. Nuke Lithuania!
     
  20. S.A.M. uniquely dreadful Valued Senior Member

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    Interesting how the so called upholders of freedom endorse and support an occupation.

    Could you guess what your fate would have been in Warsaw?


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warsaw_Ghetto_Uprising
     
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  21. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    Whatever one thinks of SAM's comparison, Baron's summation of native americans as terrorists as a justification of settler and later US relations with NAs was vile and really quite a sad joke.
     
  22. Grantywanty Registered Senior Member

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    In case you haven't noticed Jews survived Hilter.
    biological warfare in a couple of different senses of the word was used against native americans and if you knew more about history you would know this.
    by any definition of terrorism european settlers engaged in terrorism against natives whose land they took, who they intentionally poisoned, whose food supplies they destroying intentionally. Some tribes were destroyed completely, hence genocide even by your extreme definition. They lived here we came, we took, europeans hallucinated Manifest Destiny and felt they were entitled to the land. NA were killed for money, for fun. Their children were taken from them and forbidden to speak their own languages. Their religious practices were often forbidden. Not to speak of mass rape, mass killings, a consistent practice of break treaties and other false negotiation practices. Calling NAs terrorists is ludicrous and a sad comment on your ignorance.
     
  23. Baron Max Registered Senior Member

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    Whatever ...the tactic worked and we took possession of the land ....and we still have it and we made it productive. And, I might add, mostly the NAs and those problems have long since been forgotten except for a few radicals and a few historians.

    The winner gets to do the name-calling. When the losers do it, they're just being wimps and losers.

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