Why would evolution create a higher state of consciousness?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by John J. Bannan, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    I agree. Also, i dont think it even exists.
     
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  3. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Enlightenment is our natural state? Maybe it's our first state, but not our last. The brain does grow larger as we age - does it not? Does not our inherent capacity for language assume the presence of other humans, and in turn, hasn't our brains been developed with a dependency on others in mind? Isn't the controls that others place on our behavior, i.e. the ego as defined by Wisdom Seeker, a fundamental assumption upon which our brains evolved?
     
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  5. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    On what do you base the existance of this "enlightenment" ? Seems like its just an assumption..
     
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Enlightenment doesn't preclude interacting with others. However, you may be correct that society is encouraging something other than this. Perhaps that is why there are so few enlightened people.
     
  8. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    There are so few enlightened people, because "enlightenment" is not an instinctual behavior.
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's analogous to the fall from the garden of Eden, caused by the pursuit of knowledge. Certainly civilization has led to great benefits to humanity, but evolution doesn't care about our happiness, only our survival.
     
  10. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Well, of course, evolution is most concerned with our survival. However, evolution is also concerned with other things which may or may not help with our survival, such as hapiness. You could also argue that evolution created us, we created enlightenment, and therefore evolution created enlightenment. Isn't this true? However, are all the strange things humans do and believe beneficial to survival and directly attributable to evolution? I think not.
     
  11. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    You guys say enlightment is not of use, or that it doesn´t exist... But I tell you that it is the misunderstood purpose of every religion and initiary cult that ever was; religions have disorted the message in order to manipulate people, but the message is still there.
     
  12. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Enlightment is our true nature. If we were concient we would be more concerned with following what God intended for us, instead of what the society intended for us.
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I think we created the idea and mystique of enlightenment, but not the thing itself. It's not really something, but the absense of something- what I would call a disfunctional cultural adaptation.
     
  14. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    I thought being "enlightened" we would be more in tune to what we wanted - not what God wanted?
     
  15. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    When the ego cease to control us, there will be no desire for self-gratification.
     
  16. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    So, when the ego ceases to control us, I won't want to smoke or booze it up?
     
  17. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I don't understand the question.
     
  18. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Probably not because you won´t want self-gratification, but it is not a restriction, you are free.
     
  19. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    So, smoking and booze are just coping mechanisms caused by the pressure created by societal controls? What if I were addicted?
     
  20. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Addiction to all kinds of things is what prevents enlightenment. Addiction (attachment) to various pleasures and distractions. There's nothing inherently wrong them....
     
  21. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    But aren't children attached to various pleasures and distractions? Ever hear of a Merry-Go-Round?
     
  22. Enmos Valued Senior Member

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    Can someone please enlighten

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    me ? What does this enlightenment mean ? I mean what definition of enlightenment are we using ?
     
  23. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Wisdom Seeker says enlightenment is a relearned childlike state. I was using this definition, as frankly, it seems to be as good as any.
     

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