Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by John J. Bannan, Jul 31, 2007.
I agree. Also, i dont think it even exists.
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Enlightenment is our natural state? Maybe it's our first state, but not our last. The brain does grow larger as we age - does it not? Does not our inherent capacity for language assume the presence of other humans, and in turn, hasn't our brains been developed with a dependency on others in mind? Isn't the controls that others place on our behavior, i.e. the ego as defined by Wisdom Seeker, a fundamental assumption upon which our brains evolved?
On what do you base the existance of this "enlightenment" ? Seems like its just an assumption..
Enlightenment doesn't preclude interacting with others. However, you may be correct that society is encouraging something other than this. Perhaps that is why there are so few enlightened people.
There are so few enlightened people, because "enlightenment" is not an instinctual behavior.
It's analogous to the fall from the garden of Eden, caused by the pursuit of knowledge. Certainly civilization has led to great benefits to humanity, but evolution doesn't care about our happiness, only our survival.
Well, of course, evolution is most concerned with our survival. However, evolution is also concerned with other things which may or may not help with our survival, such as hapiness. You could also argue that evolution created us, we created enlightenment, and therefore evolution created enlightenment. Isn't this true? However, are all the strange things humans do and believe beneficial to survival and directly attributable to evolution? I think not.
You guys say enlightment is not of use, or that it doesn´t exist... But I tell you that it is the misunderstood purpose of every religion and initiary cult that ever was; religions have disorted the message in order to manipulate people, but the message is still there.
Enlightment is our true nature. If we were concient we would be more concerned with following what God intended for us, instead of what the society intended for us.
I think we created the idea and mystique of enlightenment, but not the thing itself. It's not really something, but the absense of something- what I would call a disfunctional cultural adaptation.
I thought being "enlightened" we would be more in tune to what we wanted - not what God wanted?
When the ego cease to control us, there will be no desire for self-gratification.
So, when the ego ceases to control us, I won't want to smoke or booze it up?
I don't understand the question.
Probably not because you won´t want self-gratification, but it is not a restriction, you are free.
So, smoking and booze are just coping mechanisms caused by the pressure created by societal controls? What if I were addicted?
Addiction to all kinds of things is what prevents enlightenment. Addiction (attachment) to various pleasures and distractions. There's nothing inherently wrong them....
But aren't children attached to various pleasures and distractions? Ever hear of a Merry-Go-Round?
Can someone please enlighten Please Register or Log in to view the hidden image! me ? What does this enlightenment mean ? I mean what definition of enlightenment are we using ?
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Wisdom Seeker says enlightenment is a relearned childlike state. I was using this definition, as frankly, it seems to be as good as any.
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