Why would evolution create a higher state of consciousness?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by John J. Bannan, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. draqon Banned Banned

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    yoga dudes in India and buddhists' type of higher consciousness.
     
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  3. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Probably not. They just do it.
     
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  5. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Enlightment is not a childlike state, it is more of a new-born state. How new-borns live every second is similar on how an enlightened man live every second. With the exception that the enlightened man is conscious, the child is not. All animals are enlightened, but they are not conscient of that. We are all enlightened, but the ego is the dust in our eyes. Some people spend their entire lives without realizing that fact, and never follow their Buddha-nature (inner-self/Christ), they only follow their ego towards an empty purpose.
     
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  7. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Why would children "just do" something that is obviously fun, instead of "just doing" something that is obviously less fun like cleaning their rooms?
     
  8. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    So, why would evolution ever favor a "new born like state", which is so obviously unready to meet the challenges of survival such that it must rely on its parents to keep it alive?
     
  9. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Children are not of the same consciousness level of a Buddha, you are speaking like if it was the same thing. Just because a child has no ego, an animal has no ego, an enlightened man has no ego, it doesn´t mean that they are all in the same level of consciousness of the situation. Children and animals are not aware of their state, they are vulnerable.
     
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  11. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Well, then enlightment isn't like a new born, because a new born is not aware of its state either? So, what exactly are you describing as enlightenment?
     
  12. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's not a matter of one over the other, but what is the proper place of ego in our lives? Buddhism proposes that much of human suffering is caused by an unnatural emphasis on our sense of self, which tends to separate us from nature and society as a whole.
     
  13. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Nice little diagram. However, how exactly does this define enlightenment?
     
  14. draqon Banned Banned

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    Devoid of inner senses. Enlightenment is a 4th state sense of reality.
     
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    I think you answered your own question. Children (and people) obviously prefer to do things that are fun. You ask some strange questions.
     
  16. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Spindergoat. That's nice that Buddhism proposes such. However, why should I believe that Buddhism has more of a basis in our genetic makeup than ego? It seems to me that the reverse is far more likely.
     
  17. draqon Banned Banned

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    children do things that are fun because these things excite them to feel better/good within themselves. Fun can be anything that children are introduced to that makes them feel fun, that makes them feel more free and engaged in activity that excites them.
     
  18. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    The point is that children don't just go out and have fun, because that's what they do. It's because they are attracted to fun, and are quite capable of self-gratification. This seems to defy the idea that enlightenment is a child like state, since children do in fact seek self-gratification. If children didn't seek self-gratification, than why choose the Merry-Go-Round over cleaning up the room?
     
  19. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Enlightenment is like a new-born, thats why the Hindus, the Christians, the Egyptians, and many others call this state "the second birth/the birth of the spirit". When the new-born loves, his whole self become the love, when a new-born is angry, his whole self becomes angry; there is no division between him and the emotions, he is a whole, he is one. A new-born child does not know he is separated from the whole, he does not exist, because he only knows that there is a loving woman, there are other people, but he IS them, he does not separate the other people from him, because he does not know he is a separate entity. A child is one with the whole, with God.

    This is the state of a Buddha, but the Buddha is in a more organized state of consciousness, the Buddha knows the ways of the ego, and he knows how to approach them. A Buddha is a master of his energy, he knows how to use his energy for the benefit of others, and he knows that others are not a separate entity from himself.
     
  20. draqon Banned Banned

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    children are different. Fun can be anything really, children just needed to be shown that it is indeed fun. For example cleaning can be done with style, while dancing. Such is done in Mongolia/North China. Self gratification is seeked by everyone, however that gratification comes in many forms.
     
  21. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Basically, I believe that is the reason of the ego. We need to create an ego anyway in order to understand it, without an ego, we would behave like monkeys. But when we reach understanding, the ego cease to control us and we become aware of reality.
     
  22. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    If an infant did not know he existed, then he wouldn't know anyone else existed either. It's all a seemless emotion to the baby. Nevertheless, the baby does know his mother exists, because he wouldn't cry to get her attention to give him something to eat if he didn't know she existed.
     
  23. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    But how does knowledge of elminating our egos create a survival advantage from the perspective of evolution?
     

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