Why would evolution create a higher state of consciousness?

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  1. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Lets put it in "scientific words"; we only use 10% of our brain capacity and the other 90% remains in darkness. Enlightment is to put a light in that darkness, were the words are insufficient.
     
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  5. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    There are theories in both sides, it haven´t been proved untrue. The thing is, if we would be using all of our brain capacity were do you store new memories? Or why don´t we all use both hands? Why some people are dumber than others if they have same brain mass? Some dumb people even have a bigger brain mass than average.
    And given the fact that scientists are going crazy with quantum physics, a whole universe in just an atom, do you seriously think we are using all of our capacity?
     
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  7. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    The brain stores information in the memory areas - what else could you use it for?
    It has been proven untrue - MRI and similar scans show that different areas of the brain light up when doing different things.
    We might possibly use only 10% at any given time (and I'm not even sure about that) but the whole of the brain gets used throughout life.

    A whole universe in an atom?
    Tell me more...
    Some people don't use what they are capable of, some (i.e. the dumb ones) can't because of something or other (chemical imbalances, what not - biology isn't my "thing").

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    I actually stronlgly believe in the universe in one quantum particle idea. In fact we are in a universe which is part of a particle which makes another universe...ad infinitum.
     
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    Multiverse?
     
  10. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    ok Oli, I am reluctant on the fact that we use all of our brain capacity, but if it was true, it was just an analogy. It is your fault that is now a failed analogy

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  11. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    I believe this as well... It is the meaning of the famous phrase used by many: "You are Gods".
     
  12. Oli Heute der Enteteich... Registered Senior Member

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    So we're not actually here until a scientist in the bigger universe looks for us?

    It's a FACT is it?
    Any evidence?

    Sorry - I missed that it was supposed to be an analogy, otherwise I might have let it go...

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    Higher consciousness provides the understanding of the complexities as the universe moves from simple (elementary particles) to complex structures. It is your job to understand that complexity and impart that knowledge and wisdom to your progeny and perhaps the society.

    While businesses look for Organizational Change Management to compete with their nemesis...the HR people and the hiring managers can not differentiate Consciousness and higher consciousness. They think it is linear...and a monkey could do it....so they hire you know what....
     
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    I doubt we are a particle in a larger universe - like our universe but only bigger. The universe at different size scales is similar - but not identical. Electrons whizzing around a nucleus is similar to a planetary system, but also very different. I would expect that on larger scales, the organization of matter would be similar but not the same. Moreover, if the next larger universe is in a higher dimension, that universe will probably be very very different than this one. As far as the assertion that universes go up in scale ad infinitum, well that gets distrupted by the introduction of higher dimensions. Do the higher dimensions go on ad infinitum? Don't know. Hard to imagine (or impossible?) higher dimensions.
     
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    I was researching about this whole 10% of our brains thing, and I can see why the confusion. We actually use our whole brains, but our awareness is normally at only 10% of our brain. In other words, we use only 10% of our brains consciently in a given time. So to use about 20% at a given time it would be something out of the ordinary for sure, not to mention to put our awareness in the whole 100% of the brain at a given time.
     
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    Have any enlightened individuals had a CAT Scan or MRI done of their brains to see whether they are any different than the rest of us dummies?
     
  18. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    It would be pretty darn difficult to perform a CAT scan on Jesus while he was walking on water, 2000 years ago.
    There are enlightened men right now, but do you think they are concerned with proving this? Only the weak mind is competitive.
     
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    The 10% brain thing always comes up. It is similar to saying oh...you have 300 HP in your car but you only use 60 HP to cruise on a level highway. So why buy a 300HP engine?
     
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    The more I think about it, the less the original post makes sense. I mean, it is like asking: "Why would evolution give us brains?"
     
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    Many moons ago, I was in the advanced electronics lab doing graduate research. I was playing with a high gain amplifier and recording th data while watching in on the digital scope. I touched the proble to my head under the baseball cap and saw complex wave patterns. But then I had to finish the classroom question forgetting the probe was on me. Later when I played back, I saw the pattern change to much more complexity and amplitude went up and a lot got clipped due to the high primary amp gain. What that means who knows....Brain has too many nodes to accurately decipher what is happening....
     
  22. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    I am very skeptical of the existence of a higher state of consciousness. It seems similar to claims of ESP. There doesn't seem to be a grounded reason in evolution for the development of such a state - let alone a mechanical explanation for one. Although an enlightened person may not feel the need to undergo an MRI of his brain, he may want to just for the sake of the non-believers.
     
  23. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It's my view that there is no higher state of consciousness. It is in fact lower. That is, more basic to our nature. The kind of consciousness that we commonly experience now has been shaped by relatively recent cultural forms. It's a return to more intuitive, natural thinking that is represented in Buddhism and Taoism.
     

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