Why would evolution create a higher state of consciousness?

Discussion in 'Eastern Philosophy' started by John J. Bannan, Jul 31, 2007.

  1. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Are you sure about that? I've seen how primative individuals think, and it is really scary how dumb they are. It seems that enlightenment would be smarter, not dumber.
     
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  3. kmguru Staff Member

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    Does that mean evolution would not create a higher state of consciousness specis because there is no need for it as all that is needed to know has already been known and no use will come from such specis to whether converting Jupiter to a Sun, or teraforming Mars or roam the galaxy to lend a hand to the nature or harness the blackhole etc....

    Then the question comes why the middle staters? towards what?
     
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  5. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    How does evolution have anything to do with anything not on this planet?
     
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  7. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    Enlightenment has little to do with intelligence or the abilities of so-called primitive people.
     
  8. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    Well then, what's enlightenment?
     
  9. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    A shift in our patterns of consciousness coupled with a dis-identification with the illusory personna that culture influences us to create. It's a return to a more natural, less linear and analytical way of thinking. It's a release of conscious control over the actions of the mind. Instead of forcing yourself to think about certain things, it's more like stepping back and observing the production of your mind. Your mind itself, after all, cannot be observed with itself.
     
  10. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    We think about what is in our environment. The production of your mind will always be a reflection of your environment. How is that enlightenment?
     
  11. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It is. Enlightenment is surrounded with all kinds of mysticism and hooey, but it's really very simple.
     
  12. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    So, are you saying that enlightenment is thinking without words?
     
  13. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    It can't be defined so easily, but that is an aspect of it, yes.
     
  14. kmguru Staff Member

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    en·light·en·ment /ɛnˈlaɪtnmənt/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[en-lahyt-n-muhnt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
    –noun 1. the act of enlightening.
    2. the state of being enlightened: to live in spiritual enlightenment.
    3. (usually initial capital letter) Buddhism, Hinduism. prajna.
    4. the Enlightenment, a philosophical movement of the 18th century, characterized by belief in the power of human reason and by innovations in political, religious, and educational doctrine.

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    forget the higher cosnsciousness.....
     
  15. spidergoat Liddle' Dick Tater Valued Senior Member

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    You know the 18th century movement is not the enlightenment we are talking about.
     
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    Human evolution has been speeding up tremendously, a new study contends—so much, that the latest evolutionary changes seem to largely eclipse earlier ones that accompanied modern man’s “origin.”


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  17. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    So what if man is still evolving? How does this explain the evolutionary advantage of a higher state of consciousness?
     
  18. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    It is a fact that man is still evolving; the main evolutionary advantage is not to live like primitive apes killing each other.
     
  19. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    If enligtenment is an evolutionary advantage, then why are so few of us apparently enligtened? We all have opposable thumbs - and yet we all aren't enlightened?
     
  20. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Because not all of us are willing to do the ultimate sacrifice in order to become enlightened. It is to surrender that who you think you are, your personality; and start living a pure life on which you do exactly what you want to do with total dedication to truth.
     
  21. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    I understand why you think people choose not to be enlightened. I am asking, well, doesn't the fact that so few people choose to be enlightened evidence the fact that enlightenment does not contain an evolutionary advantage?
     
  22. Wisdom_Seeker Speaker of my truth Valued Senior Member

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    Our goal in life is to become enlightened, any other goals are fabrications of society that are strongly liked to our personality.

    Why do I say that our goal is to become enlightened? Well maybe because if you become enlightened, the real you will reach the surface and you will do exactly what you were meant to do in this life. If you don´t become enlightened, or even followed that goal, then you will live your whole life following other people´s expectations for you, and you will never know you true self. You will get another chance for sure, as many chances as necesary for you to understand.
     
  23. John J. Bannan Registered Senior Member

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    O.K. I get that you believe in enlightenment. I don't believe in enlightenment. Moreover, I don't see how enlightenment would even exist as it serves no evolutionary advantage. Unless it gives us an evolutionary advantage, there is no reason to believe the body is capable of enlightenment. Now, enlightenment can surely exist as a philosophy or man made thought. I don't doubt that. I doubt that there truly is a physical state of enlightenment that our brains are designed to reach. Get what I am saying?
     

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