Does this mean trying to start the collapse ? or help it along ? We don't give up first off. We keep trying secondly. Well this is where I disagree with the premise that it so bad and is getting worse. People have been saying the same things for thousands of years and yet we keep chugging along ignoring those who have predicted it. But they don't ignore it because they are stupid and unaware, they just don't believe it. I would say that our greatest risk for not surviving as a species was when our numbers were small in comparison. Where an illness could have ended us and the lions, tigers and bears would have ruled. We may take a huge hit at some point from some source but I just don't believe in end times. Nothing you have said specifically, it's more from a self centered vision that I see you have. In other words, the world is going to end so it must happen in my lifetime because I must be here to see it. Self importance in other words. It is hard to imagine ourselves as fairly meaningless to the history of the world. But to your friends and family and others you may help along the way in the present you are not meaningless and they would surely miss you not being there. Good Well I guess the impression comes from thinking the end of the world is coming and in your lifetime. I don't live in a cave, I see the same horrible things go on but I also see the great things. The reason that I felt you were contradicting yourself and being hypocrytical is that you are saying we must have the best intentions in our thoughts and desires but you want to see the world end to cleanse our suffering. But your speaking for us all as if you know how the rest of us feel about the world we live in. If we understand there is bad along with the good and we should keep fighting for the less fortunate to make the world a better place and don't want to give up our lives here on earth because there is much to do to create a better world. Who are you to say we are wrong and that we should just give up because it's going to happen. You can't simultaneously say both things exist in your mind. Which is it, fight the good cause here or not. I guess it appears that you are somewhat fixated on the end times. I could be wrong about that but that is what I have understood from some of your posts. If I am wrong let me know. But if you are and you were my best friend I would try to get you to change that opinion and to try and see the good and enjoy your life here on earth. That's all. Many people waste their life away because they se no hope. You obviously care but at what point does it start to affect you in a negative way. It was not mean't to be rude to you but I can see that now as written, I apologize if I offended you. We have had a good conversation but as the conversation has gone on, you are making it very clear that you feel the end is the only way to solve the issues we have here on earth. I don't agree with that and I think it is an easy way out, a way to disengage. When I hear end of the world talk from any source religious or other I tend to put a wall up because it doesn't go anywhere. Like the guy on the street corner with the sign. He isn't bringing anything to the table at that point. It ceases to be conversation between two people and turns into a one sided discussion with yourself. In other words if you believe the world is going to end and there is nothing that will change that, what's the point ?